From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 1 13:48:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10353 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:37:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:25:34 +0000 (/etc/localtime) From: Jeff Steele To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] ucSIMM rollout questions ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Michael Durrant wrote: > > (snip) Looks like it is getting close. > > And close is the word. We are presently sending the board design off > for a final price quote on the assemble and fabrication cost. We hope to > have a web page set up within a week to accept advance orders so that we > can ensure we produce enough on our first run. > > As well 3 different people are working on different host board as well. I > am hoping that everything will come together within the next 4-6 weeks. Hi, I'm a newcomer, and it looks like my timing is pretty auspicious. I'm interested in possibly using some ucSIMM boards for undergraduate physics students to tinker with and also to build into automated lab experiments. I wanted to ask a few questions, which I'm sure other newcomers/lurkers might also be wondering about. 1) The last update mentions a price of approx. US$165 . Is that for an assembled product or a board plus parts kit ? 2) What's on the medium term (4-6 months) horizon ? Is there a plan for a second round of production ? 3) You mentioned three different host board projects. Can those involved (or anyone else) summarize these : what do they do, are they going to be fabricated anytime soon, estimated price, etc. ? Thanks, Jeff This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 1 14:06:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10454 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:04:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:52:52 +0000 (/etc/localtime) From: Jeff Steele To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] SMT newbie questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Me again, A couple of questions on a slightly different track. My interest in electronics is strictly at a hobbyist level for now; I'm trying to get a feel for what's a reasonable level of ambition for a non-specialist. * I've never worked with surface mount devices. What kind of startup is involved ? Do I need lots of expensive new tools, hundreds of botched attempts, etc., or is there a fairly painless way to get started ? * Is it possible to stick SMT devices in some kind of chip carrier and work with them on a solderless breadboard ? I had in mind a small breadboard with a SIMM socket to allow for interfacing various ICs to the ucSIMM in a fairly painless way. In some cases, if the circuit is a "keeper", it could just be stuck inside an enclosure as-is. Would this work, or is it asking for trouble ? Thanks for your help, Jeff (who is switching into lurk mode now) This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 1 15:01:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10558 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:00:06 -0400 Message-ID: <010501bec3f1$94ac3140$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucSIMM rollout questions ... Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:43:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Jeff Steele wrote: > > Hi, I'm a newcomer, and it looks like my timing is pretty auspicious. > I'm interested in possibly using some ucSIMM boards for undergraduate > physics students to tinker with and also to build into automated lab > experiments. I wanted to ask a few questions, which I'm sure other > newcomers/lurkers might also be wondering about. > > 1) The last update mentions a price of approx. US$165 . Is that for > an assembled product or a board plus parts kit ? The uC68EZ328 (uCsimm) will be shipped assembled and tested with a preburned kernel. > 2) What's on the medium term (4-6 months) horizon ? Is there a plan for > a second round of production ? yes > 3) You mentioned three different host board projects. Can those > involved (or anyone else) summarize these : what do they do, are they > going to be fabricated anytime soon, estimated price, etc. ? Well .... this is a loaded question .... Design Designer Status A D. Jeff Dionne, Rt-Control INC. At board fab B D. Jeff Dionne, Rt-Control INC. Finished (ready to fab) C Rick Farmer Almost finished (ready to fab) D Glen Haris On hold Design A The A board is a simple connector only board used to allow people to connect a uCsimm to a 10BaseT network, a serial connection to a computer terminal, and a power connector. The board also has a (.1) prototyping area on it. Design B Same as Design A except it include the needed hardware support for driving a QVGA LCD display and a second simm connector for future simm sized addon modules. Design C Rick describes his design very well in some earlier emails. The board has a single simm socket a prototyping area and a lot of additional bits and pieces check out > http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simmpcb.pdf check out > http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simmsch.pdf check out > http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simm2sch.pdf Design D Glen's project is on hold right now as he is very busy with another project right now. When he finds time he will update the list of his project. nb: All four designs are subject to change without notice. > Thanks, > > Jeff > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 1 17:19:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10798 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:17:27 -0400 From: "David Schwartz" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] ucSIMM rollout questions ... Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:59:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bec404$9fb4eba0$021d85d1@youwant.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <010501bec3f1$94ac3140$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Design C > Rick describes his design very well in some earlier emails. The board > has a single simm socket a prototyping area and a lot of additional > bits and pieces > check out > http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simmpcb.pdf > check out > http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simmsch.pdf > check out > http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simm2sch.pdf As far as I can tell, these links are dead. DS This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 1 17:33:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10831 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:32:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: Ziolko Ryan-crz074 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] Power and Such Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:14:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hello All- I was wondering how much current it draws at idle and at full usage... I really need a very low power micro computer for data acquisition... this ucsimm is REALLY neat! I was also wondering if there is going to be any kind of educational discount... as I am a poor student. :-( Ryan Z. PS. How many weeks until it ships? This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 1 19:21:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11026 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 19:20:45 -0400 Message-ID: <00b901bec415$fd94d760$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Power and Such Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 19:03:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Ziolko Ryan-crz074 wrote: > Hello All- > > I was wondering how much current it draws at idle and at full usage... Regarding current drain ... Jeff wrote to the uCsimm list the following: Measured, with Ethernet up (no network traffic) and uClinux running with 0% cpu, 63mA. Measured, code running from FLASH, tight loop, no RAM access Ethernet up (no network traffic) 79.8mA Measured, running a filesystem decompression (in uClinux) from FLASH to RAM, Ethernet up (no network traffic) 108mA I expect Ethernet to account for about 40-50mA, I will let you know when I power it down, it comes up by default I have to set a port pin on the DragonBall to turn it off. I've just not bothered yet. -- regards Michael This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 1 20:02:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11138 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:00:47 -0400 From: "David Schwartz" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] ucSIMM rollout questions ... Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:42:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bec41b$73c3b780$021d85d1@youwant.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <000001bec404$9fb4eba0$021d85d1@youwant.to> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I take that back. It seems they're live again. Sorry. DS > > > Design C > > Rick describes his design very well in some earlier emails. The board > > has a single simm socket a prototyping area and a lot of additional > > bits and pieces > > check out > http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simmpcb.pdf > > check out > http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simmsch.pdf > > check out > http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simm2sch.pdf > > As far as I can tell, these links are dead. > > DS This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 1 20:04:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11162 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:02:55 -0400 Message-ID: <377BFD86.D5FB7467@mytoys.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 23:45:10 +0000 From: Tom Walsh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.35 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ucsimm@uClinux.org" Subject: [uCsimm] I want one... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I would like to order one of the ucsimm boards so that mine is included within the initial production run. How does one do this? Tom - WN3L This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 1 20:52:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11257 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:51:29 -0400 Message-ID: <377C0890.76CBC5A8@execpc.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 19:32:16 -0500 From: Rick Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucSIMM rollout questions ... Sorry about dead links References: <000001bec404$9fb4eba0$021d85d1@youwant.to> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org David Schwartz wrote: > > Design C > > Rick describes his design very well in some earlier emails. The board > > has a single simm socket a prototyping area and a lot of additional > > bits and pieces > > check out > http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simmpcb.pdf > > check out > http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simmsch.pdf > > check out > http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simm2sch.pdf > > As far as I can tell, these links are dead. Errr... Sorry about that folks. I deleted all the files last night and didn't replace them with the latest and greatest until a few minutes ago. I didn't think anyone would notice. In addition I now have a true home page for my carrier, http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simm. It has links to all the files, descriptions of all the circuitry, and links to the datasheets for every part on the board. The board is routed and ready for release, I'm just waiting for Jeff to give me the mechanical data for the SIMM so that I can check to make sure that parts on the back side of the SIMM don't get in the way of the parts on my board. This is because I mount the SIMM horizontally and hide all my parts under the SIMM so that the total height of the stack up is only about 1/2 inch. Hellooooo Jeff. -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 1 21:48:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11436 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:48:14 -0400 Message-ID: <19990702012958.90512.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.156.245.69] From: Mert INCEIPLIK To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] I want one... Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 18:29:56 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hello all, Have you seen the new PDA DaVinci ? It also has a 68EZ332 CPU 2Mb RAM 160x160 mono LCD, lots of sw etc. and the price is only 99.95 !!! You might want to check it out. http://www.davinciworld.com/ mert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 2 01:42:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11886 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 01:41:57 -0400 Message-ID: <377C4C9E.DBD2D8E5@execpc.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 00:22:38 -0500 From: Rick Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] I want one... References: <19990702012958.90512.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Mert INCEIPLIK wrote: > Hello all, > > Have you seen the new PDA DaVinci ? It also has a 68EZ332 CPU 2Mb RAM > 160x160 mono LCD, lots of sw etc. and the price is only 99.95 !!! Why? It's just a Palm Pilot knock off. OK, so it's cheap, so what. The SIMM sells for $165 because it's a low volume run. In volume 100K+ you could knock-off the SIMM and sell it for $50 and still make a good buck. When I ordered my copy of Protel (expensive EDA software package) I got a free Palm Pilot. I played with it for a few weeks and then gave it away because it was just a toy. Ask yourself the question: "why did this guy goto all the trouble of designing a carrier board for what amounts to a naked Palm Pilot?" The answer is very simple: it's a great networked embedded controller. If the SIMM didn't have ethernet I would have smiled and moved on. The fact that the SIMM is small is cool, but what really important is that they have encapsulated the network functionality into a manageable package that is still customizable. What is important is that they achieved this goal in *both* hardware (SIMM pinout) and software (Linux). System design is a very esoteric art. They seem to have made a package that is powerful and flexible. I think of this a kind of mini-PC104 type concept. The main difference is that they started with a network-centric OS, as opposed to adding it on later as an afterthought, ala DOS/WIN. With the SIMM you could implement a crude networked controller with nothing more than a page or so of shell script. Not that I'd do that, but the example demonstrates the capabilities of the design. That's the new cool part. It's all a question of what you can *do* with it. Aside from handwriting recognition, a Palm doesn't really do anything my 10 year old HP48 can't do. -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 2 02:19:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11985 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 02:18:29 -0400 From: Russell Nelson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 01:46:47 -0400 (EDT) To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] I want one... In-Reply-To: <377C4C9E.DBD2D8E5@execpc.com> References: <19990702012958.90512.qmail@hotmail.com> <377C4C9E.DBD2D8E5@execpc.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14204.20977.960777.442045@desk.crynwr.com> X-Face: $K'YURj"g6ImvqTS_=]8)gqh!5;ElY<[.Rao%j8r+]iUfE{%|v%F<=mcq<6l{K=~mf&#:?" nslS]U~|x{2V=Eex_I#"9K~9)>?m7Lm={(j_&)SX~fzg&ST~P%QUhc{1p]c3@Zn1u*PZlkHM**X^vV l>GkB5y^Kz%w5p~^uDue]hL&ke,N;+Q Aside from handwriting recognition, a Palm doesn't really do anything my 10 > year old HP48 can't do. Not only that, but it's identical to a 17-year-old concept design from HP-CVD (I worked there then). Imagine an HP calculator with no keys and handwriting recognition. Now call it a Palm Pilot. -- -russ nelson http://crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr supports Open Source(tm) Software| PGPok | Government schools are so 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 2 03:21:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12081 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 03:21:18 -0400 Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA3BB@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.org'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Order Order Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:04:11 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org We are ready to order all necessary for running one or two simm boards, mother boards, and complete software kit .... Our payment will be bank transfer. What is the most realist date at which all should be available ? Jean-Luc LE BEC materiel.sa@horoquartz.fr This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 2 11:11:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12972 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:08:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: Ziolko Ryan-crz074 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] Static RAM Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:49:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hello All- The SIMM board ships with DRAM right? I think it would be nice it used Static RAM... is there going to be a version later on that does in SRAM? Ryan This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 2 13:03:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13268 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:01:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bec4a9$58021080$cd02e0c7@libretto> From: "Ken Hansen" To: Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Power and Such Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:00:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org EEK - the poor student posts have started already! Well, if you really have more time than money, you could save yourself the shipping fee by going to them directly and buying the uCsimm directly... You maight save another 3-4% by paying with cash instead of Credit Card. Remember, this is a couple of guys working in their spare time, not Motorola or Intel! I suspect they will be lucky to break even on this proposition... Just my $.02 - sorry of this was a little too harsh, but I have seen *too* many "I want a Sun Workstation, but I am a poor student, anyone want to *give* me one?" - If I offend, I apologize. Ken khansen@njcc.com -----Original Message----- From: Ziolko Ryan-crz074 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 5:20 PM Subject: [uCsimm] Power and Such >Hello All- > >I was wondering how much current it draws at idle and at full usage... I >really need a very low power micro computer for data acquisition... this >ucsimm is REALLY neat! >I was also wondering if there is going to be any kind of educational >discount... as I am a poor student. :-( > > Ryan Z. > >PS. How many weeks until it ships? >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 2 13:03:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13273 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:01:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bec4a9$5b1e92c0$cd02e0c7@libretto> From: "Ken Hansen" To: Subject: Re: [uCsimm] I want one... Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:16:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org What about ethernet? I/O control lines? Linux OS? These are the strengths of the uCsimm project... Ken khansen@njcc.com -----Original Message----- From: Mert INCEIPLIK To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [uCsimm] I want one... > Hello all, > > Have you seen the new PDA DaVinci ? It also has a 68EZ332 CPU 2Mb RAM >160x160 mono LCD, lots of sw etc. and the price is only 99.95 !!! >You might want to check it out. > http://www.davinciworld.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 2 16:15:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13673 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:12:06 -0400 Message-ID: <19990702195348.796.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.156.245.69] From: Mert INCEIPLIK To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] I want one... Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:53:47 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Please guys, I didn't want to offend anyone. I also use Linux and really interested in electronics. I just wanted to say that this PDA was a "cool performance/price" stuff. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sat Jul 3 01:02:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14700 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 01:01:27 -0400 From: "Gordon Minns" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] I want one... Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 22:43:06 -0600 Message-ID: <002001bec50e$8b971160$655036ce@SOLO.minns.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <19990702195348.796.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Well, I'm glad you mentioned the daVinci, and took the trouble to post the URL for their site. As a developer, it doesn't hurt to see what others are doing. Gordon Minns -----Original Message----- From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org]On Behalf Of Mert INCEIPLIK Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 1:54 PM To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] I want one... Please guys, I didn't want to offend anyone. I also use Linux and really interested in electronics. I just wanted to say that this PDA was a "cool performance/price" stuff. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sat Jul 3 18:30:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16636 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 18:24:27 -0400 Message-ID: <377E8913.7944C4BE@execpc.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 17:05:07 -0500 From: Rick Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Static RAM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Ziolko Ryan-crz074 wrote: > Hello All- > > The SIMM board ships with DRAM right? I think it would be nice it used > Static RAM... is there going to be a version later on that does in SRAM? The biggest single chip SRAM available is 256Kx16. The SIMM uses a single 4Mx16 DRAM chip. That's a factor of 16 difference. The DRAM is cheaper too. There is a rule of thumb in hardware design: "your options are small, fast, cheap, and low power; pick any two". Michael and Jeff chose small and cheap. I followed suit when designing my carrier. Still, an average current draw of about 100 mA isn't bad at all. -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sun Jul 4 19:50:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19501 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 19:44:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: Strider@mailer.apexmail.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:27:09 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Hans Johnson Subject: [uCsimm] Onboard r/w storage? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hello all, I was just wondering if there is any way for the uCsimm to save any information without reprogramming the flash. What I mean is that I would like the user to be able to punch in an IP Adress into a keypad, and be able to save it for later. (even with power off/whatever). Regards, Hans This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 5 13:01:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21414 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:57:54 -0400 Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA3BE@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.org'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] I want one... Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:40:12 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org We want a board too. Further, we will have to port the os on our 68332 boards. Somebody mentionned that help could be given on the web site for fellows working with 68332. We do accept that help, and are ready to give a description of our configuration. it also includes a CS8900 chip, plus a SJA1000 and more... or not more. Could use a sim30 or sim72 socket, depends... But the first step will be to have the ucsimm board with the os onboard running... bye, Jean-Luc LE BEC materiel.sa@horoquartz.fr This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 5 16:40:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21864 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 16:39:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 20:02:13 GMT From: Donald Jeff Dionne Message-Id: <199907052002.UAA01020@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] test sockets Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Anybody know who sells ZIF sockets for 30 pin simm? It's becoming clear we're going to need a few... Jeff. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 5 18:11:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22101 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:10:16 -0400 Message-ID: <378127DF.A7D9077@hougaard.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 23:47:12 +0200 From: Erik Hougaard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] uCsimm References: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA3BE@SRV_COMM> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Well I'm new to this list, and have a question that might have been discussed ealier (I did check some of the archives ..)

Anyboby considered the simm module with a ColfFire 5307 instead ?

With regards,

Erik Hougaard This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 5 22:52:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22664 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 22:45:13 -0400 Message-ID: <3781692A.E7E330E9@execpc.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 21:25:47 -0500 From: Rick Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] test sockets References: <199907052002.UAA01020@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Donald Jeff Dionne wrote: > Anybody know who sells ZIF sockets for 30 pin simm? It's becoming clear > we're going to need a few... > > Jeff. > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm Do you want vertical or horizontal mount? -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 6 00:51:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22911 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 00:49:17 -0400 Message-ID: <37814163.C550DA8A@utdallas.edu> Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 23:36:03 +0000 From: Bob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-ac5 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ucsimm@uClinux.org" Subject: [uCsimm] I2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org What is the current status of the i2c driver for the simm? Has this even been started yet? I would like to help if at all possible if i could because this is one of the features that is necessary for the simm to work for me. Bob Davis This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 6 03:05:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23256 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 03:04:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bec77b$5f634a40$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "uClinux.org" To: References: <199907052002.UAA01020@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> <3781692A.E7E330E9@execpc.com> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] test sockets Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 02:47:08 -0400 Organization: RyeHam Amteur Radio Club - Ryerson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Vertical ... do they make ZIF in Horizontal for SIMM's? -- Michael and Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Farmer To: Sent: Monday, July 05, 1999 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [uCsimm] test sockets > Donald Jeff Dionne wrote: > > > Anybody know who sells ZIF sockets for 30 pin simm? It's becoming clear > > we're going to need a few... > > > > Jeff. > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > > Do you want vertical or horizontal mount? > > -- > Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 > Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 > rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 6 03:35:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23326 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 03:35:19 -0400 Message-ID: <005601bec77f$ba5a32c0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: Subject: [uCsimm] July 5, 1999 Status report -- now taking orders Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 03:18:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On June 28 I reported that .... > We hope to have a web page set up within a week to accept advance > orders so that we can ensure we produce enough on our first run. Well the page is up. http://www.uClinux.com/orderdesk I would appreciate any comments that people have about our web page so that I can improve it in the future. I am no HTML guru. We received the final prices from our board house and I regret that we need to raise the price of the uCsimm to $175.00 We were right on with the cost of parts for the size of first run. However, the guys will not run the machine using cut tape .. so we had to buy full reels. Ouch! Our order page does not accept VISA nor MasterCard. We are collecting orders only and will be contacting everyone who places an order by email so that they can forward money orders and cheques (in US funds only). We hope that we will have everything back from the board house in five (5) weeks assembled tested and ready to ship. Unless ... The current web page does not have Rick Farmers host board as an option. We will be adding it in the next two weeks (with his permission). -- Michael Durrant mdurrant@uclinux.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 6 04:40:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23487 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 04:40:25 -0400 Message-ID: <001801bec788$eb574f80$0401a8c0@localnet> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: References: <37814163.C550DA8A@utdallas.edu> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] I2C Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:24:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org What do you want to do : driving a I2C chip (like the Philips one) or making raw I2C on one uC Pin ? Driving an I2C chip is very easy, at the Swiss Federal Institute we had to do it in 2 hours. If you want I can find this TP and send you the ASM code, that ios designed for a 68332 put this is not very important. Good luck Stephane Magnenat ----- Message d'origine ----- De : Bob À : Envoyé : mardi, 6. juillet 1999 01:36 Objet : [uCsimm] I2C > What is the current status of the i2c driver for the simm? Has this > even been started yet? I would like to help if at all possible if i > could because this is one of the features that is necessary for the simm > to work for me. > > Bob Davis > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 6 05:03:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23553 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 05:03:33 -0400 From: Glen Harris Message-Id: <199907060835.SAA10370@solwarra.gbrmpa.gov.au> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] July 5, 1999 Status report -- now taking orders To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:35:27 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <005601bec77f$ba5a32c0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> from "Michael Durrant" at Jul 6, 99 03:18:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org According to Michael Durrant: > I would appreciate any comments that people have about our web page > so that I can improve it in the future. I am no HTML guru. Yeah, get rid of all the FONT tags, the entire page is rendered as 6 point in Netscape/Linux. glen. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 6 05:05:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23562 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 05:05:53 -0400 From: "David Schwartz" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] July 5, 1999 Status report -- now taking orders Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 01:47:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bec78c$36f07630$021d85d1@youwant.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <005601bec77f$ba5a32c0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org My apologies for asking a question you probably already answered, but I don't remember your list of host boards discussing the 'gardener' board. Does it include a header to get to the general purpose I/O pins? Prototyping area? David Schwartz http://www.gpsclock.com/view.shtml > Well the page is up. > > http://www.uClinux.com/orderdesk This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 6 07:30:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA23831 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:29:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3781E571.9CB6D880@utdallas.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 06:16:01 -0500 From: Bob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] I2C References: <37814163.C550DA8A@utdallas.edu> <001801bec788$eb574f80$0401a8c0@localnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Well, let me tell you what im going to be doing with it. . . The idea is to connect another microcontroller to the i2c that records a->d conversion data in real time and feed it to the simm that runs a display/keypad etc. . . According to the product description on http://www.uclinux.org/simm/ it says that it supports i2c and/or spi. Since im not a master c coder or assembly for that matter anything would help. Bob Davis This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 6 09:37:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24122 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:37:37 -0400 Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA3C2@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.org'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] July 5, 1999 Status report -- host board Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:19:17 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns1.rt-control.com id JAA24120 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Michael Durrant [SMTP:mdurrant@uclinux.com] > Date: mardi 6 juillet 1999 09:18 > À: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Objet: [uCsimm] July 5, 1999 Status report -- now taking orders SNIP > The current web page does not have Rick Farmers host board as an > option. We will be adding it in the next two weeks (with his permission). > > -- > Michael Durrant > mdurrant@uclinux.com > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm Hi Michael, Your web page is quite cool. We are going to fill the form. However, what would you suggest : ordering the host board, or waiting for Rick Farmer's one ? the latest seems more complete, with the auxiliary flash microchip controller. is there a technical specification (mechanical and electrical) of your host board ? Thanks & Regards, Jean-Luc LE BEC materiel.sa@horoquartz.fr This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 6 12:05:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24584 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:04:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:45:44 -0400 From: John Mitchell To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] test sockets In-Reply-To: <199907052002.UAA01020@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, Donald Jeff Dionne wrote: > Anybody know who sells ZIF sockets for 30 pin simm? It's becoming clear > we're going to need a few... > > Jeff. Ask those nice guy(s) at DonTronics (http://www.dontronics.com/) -- they do a bunch of work with microcontroller-on-a-chip things (ie: http://www.dontronics.com/sstudio.html ) (alas, he's in Australia, but has worldwide distributors who might know something.) - j This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 6 12:38:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24651 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:38:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:15:02 -0400 From: John Mitchell To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] I want one... In-Reply-To: <19990702012958.90512.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Thu, 1 Jul 1999, Mert INCEIPLIK wrote: > Hello all, > > Have you seen the new PDA DaVinci ? It also has a 68EZ332 CPU 2Mb RAM > 160x160 mono LCD, lots of sw etc. and the price is only 99.95 !!! > You might want to check it out. > http://www.davinciworld.com/ better yet, a "Pro" version has 3M memory, a PCMCIA slot on the cradle, for $150US (avail in August.) A folding keyboard is $30US (now.) It appears that the dev tools are somewhat sketchy, and it's unclear how extensive the OS is. All the dev stuff is freely downloadable now from http://www.davinciworld.com/ ("Dev Kits"), so if someone gets more into it let us know. I'm really looking forward to reading reports from uCsimm users. It appears just outside my tech reach, alas. Maybe I'll break down and buy one anyway.... - j This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 6 17:40:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25381 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:37:54 -0400 Message-ID: <003401bec7f5$86fe99e0$0401a8c0@localnet> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: References: <37814163.C550DA8A@utdallas.edu> <001801bec788$eb574f80$0401a8c0@localnet> <3781E571.9CB6D880@utdallas.edu> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] I2C Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 23:21:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I2C work on the master/slave mode. It has two line: - SCL, the clock. -SDA, the data. Protocol is not very hard but quiete special, so I don't know how much it can be done in software. I suppose that Dragonball timer unit (if it has, I don't know the peripherical architecture of teh dragonball) can program to generate periodic interrupt or a thing like that. The problem is that i"C speed is about 100kbps which is enough to take dragonball's big part of processor time. So: solution are : - use an external chip (they don't cost much). One is the PCF8574P from Philipps. - use dragonball extra 68000 core feature (don't know them). - do it on soft and see what happen. Anyway, as soon as I get the drivers I send them to you Good luck Stephane Magnenat ----- Message d'origine ----- De : Bob À : Envoyé : mardi, 6. juillet 1999 13:16 Objet : Re: [uCsimm] I2C > Well, let me tell you what im going to be doing with it. . . The idea > is to connect another microcontroller to the i2c that records a->d > conversion data in real time and feed it to the simm that runs a > display/keypad etc. . . According to the product description on > http://www.uclinux.org/simm/ it says that it supports i2c and/or spi. > Since im not a master c coder or assembly for that matter anything would > help. > > Bob Davis > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 6 18:50:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25632 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:50:27 -0400 Message-ID: <378283A0.4475018C@execpc.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 17:30:56 -0500 From: Rick Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] test sockets References: <199907052002.UAA01020@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> <3781692A.E7E330E9@execpc.com> <000e01bec77b$5f634a40$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org "uClinux.org" wrote: > Vertical > > ... do they make ZIF in Horizontal for SIMM's? > Sorry, I went through my bookmarks and I don't have the link anymore. -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 6 18:56:54 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25652 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:56:52 -0400 From: Donald Jeff Dionne Message-Id: <199907062219.WAA04227@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] test sockets To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:19:51 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <378283A0.4475018C@execpc.com> from "Rick Farmer" at Jul 6, 99 05:30:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > > "uClinux.org" wrote: > > > Vertical > > > > ... do they make ZIF in Horizontal for SIMM's? > > > > Sorry, I went through my bookmarks and I don't have the link anymore. That's ok, I found some. www.simcheck.com had some :-) > > > -- > Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 > Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 > rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > -- Cheers, Jeff / VE3DJF Jeff@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca http://www.cgocable.net/~jdionne Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. ... This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 6 19:39:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25900 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:39:06 -0400 From: "Adam Eberbach" To: Subject: [uCsimm] Introduction Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 16:19:59 -0700 Message-ID: <001401bec73c$e6670930$fcca868b@adampc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Introducing myself... Hello! I found this site this morning after seeing the mention on slashdot. This stuff interests me a lot. For 6 months last year I worked on a Pilot project, and thought it would be a real laugh to get Mac System 6 running :-) Of course Linux is much more useful than that. I have an interest in robotics. I was thinking of an Amiga recycling project, stripping 68000s and DRAM from old Amigas, designing a new board and writing my own OS. I've got the references, and it would certainly be educational. This board however would be better. I had no illusions about my own attempt being easy. I'd like to get involved in this project. I have been in embedded systems for about three years now (strictly C - I can do C++ but don't like it), and other than that have done systems admin for ISPs. I have no formal training in hardware but am good enough (completed a STPC design last year too) and enjoy manual routing (sicko! I hear you say). My coding is slow but careful, and my documentation is also good. You people who scrutinize email headers may notice that this email originated in MS Outlook. Unfortunately I have to use NT sometimes, as I support manufacturers who require objects compiled with DOS or Windows-only compilers. -- Adam Eberbach adam@corp.phone.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 7 03:38:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27542 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 03:32:18 -0400 Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA3C3@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.org'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Introduction Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:14:15 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns1.rt-control.com id DAA27540 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org HI Adam, I have interests too in robotics : I started developing a delphi software for SFC programming under win95/98/99/00... and targetting it for 68332. Not yet finished. Now our opinion is linux RToriented, and targets like dragon ball or 68332 are cool for us. We have under development a MPC823 board, so we'll have the same OS for many of our products (we don't use the internal ethernet link, rather irda, and have implemented the CS8900. Automotive applications are also in our furure developments. CAN bus is essential to these configurations. Your opinion of STPC could help us too Bye, Jean-Luc LE BEC materiel.sa@horoquartz.fr > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Adam Eberbach [SMTP:adam@corp.phone.com] > Date: mardi 6 juillet 1999 01:20 > À: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Objet: [uCsimm] Introduction > > Introducing myself... > Hello! I found this site this morning after seeing the mention on slashdot. > This stuff interests me a lot. For 6 months last year I worked on a Pilot > project, and thought it would be a real laugh to get Mac System 6 running > :-) Of course Linux is much more useful than that. > I have an interest in robotics. I was thinking of an Amiga recycling > project, stripping 68000s and DRAM from old Amigas, designing a new board > and writing my own OS. I've got the references, and it would certainly be > educational. This board however would be better. I had no illusions about my > own attempt being easy. > I'd like to get involved in this project. I have been in embedded systems > for about three years now (strictly C - I can do C++ but don't like it), and > other than that have done systems admin for ISPs. I have no formal training > in hardware but am good enough (completed a STPC design last year too) and > enjoy manual routing (sicko! I hear you say). My coding is slow but careful, > and my documentation is also good. > You people who scrutinize email headers may notice that this email > originated in MS Outlook. Unfortunately I have to use NT sometimes, as I > support manufacturers who require objects compiled with DOS or Windows-only > compilers. > > -- > Adam Eberbach > adam@corp.phone.com > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 7 12:37:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29548 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:34:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:23:00 +0000 (/etc/localtime) From: Jeff Steele To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] test sockets In-Reply-To: <199907062219.WAA04227@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Donald Jeff Dionne wrote: > > "uClinux.org" wrote: > > > > > Vertical > > > > > > ... do they make ZIF in Horizontal for SIMM's? > > > > > Sorry, I went through my bookmarks and I don't have the link anymore. > > That's ok, I found some. www.simcheck.com had some :-) > Hmm, I looked at their site and only saw products which contain ZIFs. Did you just beg for some spares, or do they sell SIM ZIFs with a part number ? Did they say where they get theirs ? For now, I'm just curious. If I get into serious tinkering (*after* my dissertation is done), those would be nice to have. I noticed that the SIMM sockets listed by DigiKey (e.g. Molex 15-82-0775) have a durability rating of 25 cycles ! Jeff This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 7 20:04:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30945 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:02:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:40:09 -0400 (EWT) From: Andrew Hobgood To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] updating ROM image on uCsimm? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hey folks... I'm a new subscriber to the list, and didn't see this answered in any of the archives... I recently submitted a pre-order for the uCsimm, and was wondering a few basic questions... a) Does the uCsimm properly support IP forwarding? From, say, the PPP interface over to the ethernet interface? b) How do I create a new root filesystem for the uCsimm (as well as the XCopilot ROM, for testing)? I take it that this would involved updating the 'ramfs.img' file, somehow... but I don't know how this'd be done. c) What hardware does it take to re-flash a new kernel into the ROM on board the uCsimm? If these questions are better answered off of the list, feel free to e-mail me directly. Thanks in advance, /Andrew This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 7 20:29:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30990 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:27:48 -0400 From: "Shane" To: Cc: Subject: [uCsimm] uCsimm Mother boards Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:07:29 +1000 Message-ID: <001201bec8d5$df3da160$2e5508cb@peterh.adacel.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <199907062219.WAA04227@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hi, Just a short note about possible motherboards for the uCSimm. Dontronics at http://www.dontronics.com hass a whole range of motherboards for 30 pin simm boards. They are predominately for Microchip PIC and ATMEL processors. The boards range from backplain boards which accomodate up to 8 simm sockets through to boards which will accomodate power supplys , MAX232 serial drivers, parallel ports, relay drivers etc. They even have a board that accomodates an LCD and keypad. The boards range from US$6 up to about $15. They seen perfect for the uCsimm. I've used them for Microchip PIC development and have been very happy. There are a number of distributers of there products around the world, including the US. By the way, I'm not connected to Dontronics in any way. Just happy with their service. Bye for now, Peter. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 7 21:04:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31139 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:02:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3783F74C.A58A0C5E@gbrmpa.gov.au> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 10:56:44 +1000 From: Glen Harris Organization: GBRMPA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.6 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] uCsimm Mother boards References: <001201bec8d5$df3da160$2e5508cb@peterh.adacel.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Watch out - these are 5V boards and will _FRY_ your uCSIMM. Plus the pinouts are _similar_, but not similar enough. glen. Shane wrote: > > Hi, > > Just a short note about possible motherboards for the uCSimm. Dontronics at > http://www.dontronics.com hass a whole range of motherboards for 30 pin simm > boards. They are predominately for Microchip PIC and ATMEL processors. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 7 22:19:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31344 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:17:42 -0400 From: "Peter Homann" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] uCsimm Mother boards Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:57:21 +1000 Message-ID: <000501bec8e5$385f7ac0$2e5508cb@peterh.adacel.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3783F74C.A58A0C5E@gbrmpa.gov.au> Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hi, I guess I should have explained my idea in more detail. Glen, you are correct in what you are saying. I didn't mean to imply that the uCsimm and Simmstick boards were plug compatible. The 5V supply would have to changed with a 3 Volt supply, in addition to using 3V compatible components, ie rs232 drivers, passive components, etc. I initially plan to use these boards (with modifications) with the UCsimm as the basis of a uCsimm development system. Regards, Peter. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org]On > Behalf Of Glen Harris > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 10:57 AM > To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Subject: Re: [uCsimm] uCsimm Mother boards > > > > Watch out - these are 5V boards and will _FRY_ your uCSIMM. > Plus the > pinouts are _similar_, but not similar enough. > > glen. > > Shane wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Just a short note about possible motherboards for the > uCSimm. Dontronics at > > http://www.dontronics.com hass a whole range of > motherboards for 30 pin simm > > boards. They are predominately for Microchip PIC and ATMEL > processors. > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 8 01:07:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31819 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 01:04:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3783E808.F238605D@utdallas.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 23:51:36 +0000 From: Bob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-ac8 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ucsimm@uClinux.org" Subject: [uCsimm] LCD Display Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Does anyone have a good suggestion on an LCD Display that would work well with the uCsimm? Im currently using a SII 128x64 Display on my system now http://www.seiko-usa-ecd.com/lcd/html/graphic/modules/g1216b1n000.html but would like to see other options... It needs to be about the same viewable size (60x33mm) possibly a slight bit larger. A higher resolution would be a plus too. Bob Davis This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 8 02:23:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32031 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 02:21:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:56:06 -1000 ("EST) From: Ron Kreymborg To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] What happens when... In-Reply-To: <000501bec8e5$385f7ac0$2e5508cb@peterh.adacel.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I've just joined the list, so here is a bunch of newbie questions: Once the uCsimm, cdrom and motherboard arrive on my desk, what comes next? Is uclinux ready to load? Can I download it from my PC? (looks like it from the pics). Do I use the serial port, parallel port? Does the download software run under Win95/98 or would I need Linux? Once I've sorted that out and got uclinux into the uCsimm, how do I know it's running? How do I download my application? (Presumably the cdrom contains a C compiler/assembly/linker for the fireball). How do I get the application to automatically run on powerup? What external device drivers are available? Or is it some sort of Pilot pdm add-on? These are all questions any potential user is going to ask. I looked in the FAQ, but the last modified date on the FAQ is 15-Feb-1998. I really like this project and I can see a lot of work has taken place, but the web site doesn't give much info about it for someone coming to it in the last few weeks. Ron ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ron Kreymborg Computer Systems Manager Monash University CRC for Southern Hemisphere Meteorology Wellington Road ron@shm.monash.edu.au Clayton, VIC 3168 Phone : 061-3-9905-9671 Australia Fax : 061-3-9905-9689 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 8 03:10:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32133 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:08:52 -0400 Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA3C7@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.org'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] LCD Display Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:49:33 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns1.rt-control.com id DAA32131 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org hi Bob, look for a sharp lm32k071 (monochrome 1/4 VGA viewing size 115x86 mm), or if you have too much money to spend, Planar EL320.240.36 These are high temp versions, depends on your application ... Cheers, Jean-Luc materiel.sa@horoquartz.fr > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Bob [SMTP:bobd@utdallas.edu] > Date: jeudi 8 juillet 1999 01:52 > À: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Objet: [uCsimm] LCD Display > > Does anyone have a good suggestion on an LCD Display that would work > well with the uCsimm? Im currently using a SII 128x64 Display on my > system now > http://www.seiko-usa-ecd.com/lcd/html/graphic/modules/g1216b1n000.html > but would like to see other options... It needs to be about the same > viewable size (60x33mm) possibly a slight bit larger. A higher > resolution would be a plus too. > > Bob Davis > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 8 10:40:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00336 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:35:48 -0400 From: "Adam Eberbach" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Introduction Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:15:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bec94c$488bede0$baca868b@adampc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA3C3@SRV_COMM> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hi Jean-Luc and list! The more I find out about this project the more interestng it gets. In fact it fits in with my original plans of recycling Amiga/Atari/Mac hardware very well indeed. All I need is a 68000 with a single UART and some memory and I can have an embedded Linux robot controller! This will put an enormous amount of power into the mobile unit, compared with the old 68HC11 assembly method of doing things. I'm interested now to get the uClinux hardware. In the meantime I will be scrounging for an old Amiga 1000 or similar, and hacking up a simple machine to get some code running on. The 68000 is so attractive right now because it is DIP - even PGA is beyond my prototyping capabilities right now, I'm between houses and have a lot of stuff in storage. The next thought is, how is the development environment? Around two years ago I looked into compiling GCC as a cross-development platform for MPC, but only very briefly as someone with deep pockets decided to buy Windriver for the project. So - let's say I have a main Linux system on a nice fast Pentium. Is anyone using a similar system to cross-compile for the uClinux system or any other 68K target? Any big gotchas to be aware of? Or, is it best to get some kind of >=68030 system to run M68K Linux on? > Your opinion of STPC could help us too The STPC is certainly a good thing, but it is nothing revolutionary. The only thing you really need consider is whether the price is right,and whether the extra money is worth the saved space. Really it is just a 486 + peripherals on one chip. Our project (two 168-pin SIMM sockets, ethernet, PCMCIA, SVGA & composite out and a serial port) took about the same space as a floppy drive. The connectors were the only tough parts to place and route. Last year it was a bit of a struggle getting final specs as things were still changing, and some STPC variants were not yet available. I found ST engineers (Orange county) very helpful, although in your part of the world it may differ. I wouldn't expect much from the Australian distributors, whose first question is "how many will you buy if I give you the data?" -- Adam Eberbach adam@corp.phone.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 8 12:17:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00569 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: <4F1A22492911D2118E3200805FE65B8502C9D796@sbsccexm01.bscc.bls.com> From: Drury Tim To: "'uCsimm list'" Subject: [uCsimm] intro and experience Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:56:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org This project sounds great. While I had heard of the Linux port to the Palm Pilot, I had not checked back in a year or so and didn't realize a generic m68k/Linux embedded project had been going on until Slashdot mentioned it. Just wanted to introduce myself in case I can help out. I have designed several HC11/HC16 and 332 systems. The last was a 332 system with stackable 2" x 3" peripherals. I had intended to run RTEMS on it, but always wanted Linux. I have built gcc/egcs cross-compilers for x86/Linux hosts to m68k targets. I have built gdb/ddd with BDM target control. I have run all those tools successfully and have always wondered why people buy $20K development tools when such great tools are available for free (I'm sure there are good reasons - no need to flame that remark). I have built all these system for automotive embedded control and data acquisition. I have built several data acquisition systems and have built an ignition and a fuel injection system. I have modeled those systems in Matlab/Octave. I'm thinking this project would be great for a distributed, embedded data acquisition system (my preference is race cars, but anything will do). Questions for the group: (1) Has any thought gone into adding real-time capabilities (RTLinux) to this uCSimm Linux distro? (2) The hardware seems mature, are there any open issues that I can help solve? (3) Seems like some peripherals need to be built (A/D, D/A, etc.). I would love to design some. How does a peripheral talk back to the uCSimm MB? (What is the preferred way?) (4) I would _LOVE_ to have Java running on this sucker. I'd be willing to write the native C code device drivers if someone else would write/port a JVM. I know it's not hard real-time, but soft-real time will do in most data acquisition systems. (5) I don't want to step on any feet here, but a SIMM doesn't seem the most rugged connection for a fielded embedded system (I'm thinking 180mph car). But I don't know - any experiences? I'm used to using IDC/DIN connectors and screws to hold the MB and peripherals together. Great project! I can't wait to contribute. I have been looking for a m68k/embedded/Linux project for a while. -tim drury ------------------------------------------ Tim Drury Ciber Information Services email: tim_drury@bscc.bls.com inter@ctive pager: ciber1@bellsouthips.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 8 12:26:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00585 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:25:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: malcolm@199.170.107.10 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4F1A22492911D2118E3200805FE65B8502C9D796@sbsccexm01.bscc.bls.com> References: <4F1A22492911D2118E3200805FE65B8502C9D796@sbsccexm01.bscc.bls.com> X-Telephone: +1 650 842 6143 X-Web-Page: http://www.interval.com/~malcolm/pubs.html Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:06:15 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Malcolm Slaney Subject: [uCsimm] Another tiny network computer Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Those of you interested in the uCSIMM, might also be interested in http://www.ibutton.com/TINI/ Somebody posting to the slashdot web site (after their announcement of the uCSIMM) pointed this out. This product also has the small simm size and the 10BaseT that we love about the uCSIMM, but it runs JAVA. The best news is at the bottom. They are planning to do a one chip version that costs about $15 late this year or early next year. Hurray! -- Malcolm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 8 12:51:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00725 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:49:31 -0400 From: Lincoln Spiteri Organization: STMicroelectronics To: ucsimm@uClinux.org, Tim_Drury@bscc.bls.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] intro and experience Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:25:58 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.20] Content-Type: text/plain References: <4F1A22492911D2118E3200805FE65B8502C9D796@sbsccexm01.bscc.bls.c> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99070818300500.02490@voltaire.kir.st.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hi, GCJ the Cygnus native JAVA compiler, will be part of the upcoming GCC 2.95. It would be quite interesting to see if a cross compiler can be built for ucSimm. What is the compiler currently in use by the developers? How easy would it be to get GCC 2.95 targeting the 68k (I assume that this is already well supported but..). Regards Lincoln On Thu, 08 Jul 1999, Tim_Drury@bscc.bls.com wrote: > (4) I would _LOVE_ to have Java running on this sucker. I'd be > willing to write the native C code device drivers if someone > else would write/port a JVM. I know it's not hard real-time, > but soft-real time will do in most data acquisition systems. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lincoln Spiteri Manufacturing Systems STMicroelectronics, Malta e-mail: lincoln.spiteri@st.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 8 13:55:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00876 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:54:42 -0400 Message-ID: <4F1A22492911D2118E3200805FE65B8502C9D797@sbsccexm01.bscc.bls.com> From: Drury Tim To: "'Lincoln Spiteri'" , ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: RE: [uCsimm] intro and experience Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:36:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > GCJ the Cygnus native JAVA compiler, will be part of the > upcoming GCC 2.95. It > would be quite interesting to see if a cross compiler can be > built for ucSimm. > What is the compiler currently in use by the developers? How > easy would it be > to get GCC 2.95 targeting the 68k (I assume that this is > already well supported > but..). gcj still has a lot of issues before it's really ready. I've had a number of problems with it compiling and running. And many posts to the bug list.... but when it is ready it should be great. gcc 2.95 should be ready pretty soon and I'm certain is will be easy to build a cross-compiler from it. In fact, the RTEMS people have a nice script to build the gcc cross-compiler. -tim This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 8 14:50:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01023 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:50:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4F1A22492911D2118E3200805FE65B8502C9D79B@sbsccexm01.bscc.bls.com> From: Drury Tim To: "'uCsimm list'" Subject: [uCsimm] FW: 2.95 release update Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:31:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > -----Original Message----- > From: java-discuss-owner@sourceware.cygnus.com > [mailto:java-discuss-owner@sourceware.cygnus.com] On Behalf Of Tom > Tromey > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 2:28 PM > To: Java Discuss List > Subject: 2.95 release update > > > For those interested in the libgcj 2.95 release, here is some updated > information. > > Jeff Law (egcs release coordinator, among other things) has delayed > the egcs release a few days. (It had been scheduled to go out today, > July 8.) We plan to release libgcj 2.95 the same day as gcc 2.95. > > I've changed the libgcj test suite so that there should be 0 > unexpected failures. This should make it easier to analyze test > results from net users. > > I'm currently doing test builds of gcc 2.95 and libgcj 2.95 on Sparc > Solaris and Alpha Digital Unix. I've also completed a test build on > x86 Debian 2.0. I'll probably do some sort of Irix test, too, though > I don't really remember if all the patches for that port have come in. > > I don't anticipate any more major changes for 2.95. A straggling new > port with low risk would still be accepted, though. > > Tom > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 8 15:04:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01073 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:04:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3784F262.50AE6324@raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 14:48:02 -0400 From: Chris Hedemark X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Another tiny network computer References: <4F1A22492911D2118E3200805FE65B8502C9D796@sbsccexm01.bscc.bls.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Malcolm Slaney wrote: > The best news is at the bottom. They are planning to do a one chip > version that costs about $15 late this year or early next year. Wow. The Geek Clock could be a reality. :) I just wish they could squeeze more memory on it. -- "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." --Edison This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 8 16:11:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01291 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:11:10 -0400 Message-ID: <00dd01bec97b$84c33aa0$0100a8c0@murphys> From: "Will Jenkins" To: References: <4F1A22492911D2118E3200805FE65B8502C9D796@sbsccexm01.bscc.bls.com> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Another tiny network computer Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:53:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Looks very cute! But I don think I'll desert the uCsimm guys :-) Will ----- Original Message ----- From: Malcolm Slaney To: Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 5:06 PM Subject: [uCsimm] Another tiny network computer > Those of you interested in the uCSIMM, might also be interested in > http://www.ibutton.com/TINI/ > Somebody posting to the slashdot web site (after their announcement > of the uCSIMM) pointed this out. > > This product also has the small simm size and the 10BaseT that we > love about the uCSIMM, but it runs JAVA. > > The best news is at the bottom. They are planning to do a one chip > version that costs about $15 late this year or early next year. > Hurray! > > -- Malcolm > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 8 16:16:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01320 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:16:16 -0400 Message-ID: <378503EF.90B742B4@worldonline.nl> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:02:55 +0200 From: Joop Boonen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.3.5 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucSIMM rollout questions ... References: <010501bec3f1$94ac3140$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Michael Durrant wrote: > > Jeff Steele wrote: > > > > Hi, I'm a newcomer, and it looks like my timing is pretty auspicious. > > I'm interested in possibly using some ucSIMM boards for undergraduate > > physics students to tinker with and also to build into automated lab > > experiments. I wanted to ask a few questions, which I'm sure other > > newcomers/lurkers might also be wondering about. > > > > 1) The last update mentions a price of approx. US$165 . Is that for > > an assembled product or a board plus parts kit ? > > The uC68EZ328 (uCsimm) will be shipped assembled and tested > with a preburned kernel. > > > 2) What's on the medium term (4-6 months) horizon ? Is there a plan for > > a second round of production ? > > yes > > > 3) You mentioned three different host board projects. Can those > > involved (or anyone else) summarize these : what do they do, are they > > going to be fabricated anytime soon, estimated price, etc. ? > > Well .... this is a loaded question .... > > Design Designer Status > A D. Jeff Dionne, Rt-Control INC. At board fab > B D. Jeff Dionne, Rt-Control INC. Finished (ready to > fab) > C Rick Farmer Almost > finished (ready to fab) > D Glen Haris On > hold > > Design A > The A board is a simple connector only board used to allow people > to connect a uCsimm to a 10BaseT network, a serial connection > to a computer terminal, and a power connector. The board also > has a (.1) prototyping area on it. > > Design B > Same as Design A except it include the needed hardware support > for driving a QVGA LCD display and a second simm connector > for future simm sized addon modules. > > Design C > Rick describes his design very well in some earlier emails. The board > has a single simm socket a prototyping area and a lot of additional > bits and pieces > check out > http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simmpcb.pdf > check out > http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simmsch.pdf > check out > http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simm2sch.pdf > > Design D > Glen's project is on hold right now as he is very busy with another > project right now. When he finds time he will update the list of his > project. > > nb: All four designs are subject to change without notice. > > > Thanks, > > > > Jeff > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server > http://www.uClinux.org/simm > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm Dear all, I have the following question. it's about Design B. Will the display be a touch screen display that can be operated with a stylus? Do you also know a price for it? Can it be also used as a handheld device? It would be great to have a handheld device which is running linux. :-) Thank you very much in advance. Regards, Joop Boonen. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 8 17:55:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01591 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:53:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:31:19 -0400 (EWT) From: Andrew Hobgood To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Another tiny network computer In-Reply-To: <3784F262.50AE6324@raleigh.ibm.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > > The best news is at the bottom. They are planning to do a one chip > > version that costs about $15 late this year or early next year. > > Wow. > The Geek Clock could be a reality. :) > I just wish they could squeeze more memory on it. You know, it's strange... if you read the notes that Dallas has up there on application potential... some of the stuff seems like it'd be handled much better by a well-established smart card system, rather than ground- up development of a new entry or vending system... /Andrew This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 8 20:45:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01983 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:42:47 -0400 Message-ID: <3784FC27.8AB89219@utdallas.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:29:43 +0000 From: Bob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-ac8 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] I2C References: <37814163.C550DA8A@utdallas.edu> <001801bec788$eb574f80$0401a8c0@localnet> <3781E571.9CB6D880@utdallas.edu> <003401bec7f5$86fe99e0$0401a8c0@localnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Another option other than i2c would be using SPI in my case if it is easier, the microcontroller that i am connecting supports both protocols and i noticed that the motorolla chip supports SPI directly. does anyone have any experience using either protocol? Which would be easier to implement? What are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Thanks Bob Davis This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 9 03:08:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02978 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 03:06:48 -0400 Message-ID: <001701bec9d7$54835f80$0401a8c0@localnet> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: References: <37814163.C550DA8A@utdallas.edu> <001801bec788$eb574f80$0401a8c0@localnet> <3781E571.9CB6D880@utdallas.edu> <003401bec7f5$86fe99e0$0401a8c0@localnet> <3784FC27.8AB89219@utdallas.edu> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] I2C Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:50:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org SPI are easier to implemant because it is a more single serial like RS232 than I2C that is more like a network. SPI get four signals + one peripheric select : MOSI : Master Out, Slave Int MISO : Master In, Slave Out SCK : Serial Clock SS : Slave Select (activate the destination) Plus on Peripheric Select per pheripherical There can be multimaster configuration but it begin space to wire :-) Advantage of SPI : - On Motorola Hc11, 6833X this is driven by the hardware, so youjust have to check a register to see if there is data and another to get them. Of course, you had to program speed on the initialisation. So making an Linux driver is not very hard if you know how to make Linux drivers. - This is much simpler. - Very fast (1Mbps theoretical speed on Hc11) Advantages of I2C: - Only two wired plus the mass. - Do not add wires with the number of peripherical - Can be a bit longer then SPI (not sure) So, I hope you will find your answer I also have made an SPI driver in the lab but there is the same problem that with the SPI. If I get the I2C driver I'll get the SPI too Good luck Stephane Magnenat ----- Message d'origine ----- De : Bob À : Envoyé : jeudi, 8. juillet 1999 21:29 Objet : Re: [uCsimm] I2C > Another option other than i2c would be using SPI in my case if it is > easier, the microcontroller that i am connecting supports both protocols > and i noticed that the motorolla chip supports SPI directly. does > anyone have any experience using either protocol? Which would be easier > to implement? What are the advantages/disadvantages of each? > > Thanks > Bob Davis > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 9 03:32:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03034 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 03:32:30 -0400 Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA3CB@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.org'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] intro and experience Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:14:43 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns1.rt-control.com id DAA03032 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hi Tim, Nice to see that we have ideas and stuff in common. We are using 68332 in most of our products with ethernet (amd chips). This is for my job. Personally, I have lots of interest in automotive. For the company we have interests in : - finding something else cheaper than $4000 for debugging through BDM our 332 applications (C source level, parallel port if possible) - porting RTlinux on our board - starting the ucsimm board and fitting rtlinux in it - adding a CAN controller to the ucsimm board - replacing the simm connector with a more embedded-for one (minimum 40 ways due to can addition), 0.5" pitch ? For display in embedded solutions, we have choosen a planar 1/4 VGA. Peripherals will be added either through CAN bus or a local microchip controler with flash, A/D, etc.. For the dragonball, do you, or who on the list, knows a cheap product with // port and windows interface for debugging throughout the emulation port ? cheers, Jean-Luc LE BEC horoquartz materiel.sa@horoquartz.fr > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Drury Tim [SMTP:Tim_Drury@bscc.bls.com] > Date: jeudi 8 juillet 1999 17:56 > À: 'uCsimm list' > Objet: [uCsimm] intro and experience > > > This project sounds great. While I had heard of the Linux > port to the Palm Pilot, I had not checked back in a year or > so and didn't realize a generic m68k/Linux embedded project > had been going on until Slashdot mentioned it. > > Just wanted to introduce myself in case I can help out. I > have designed several HC11/HC16 and 332 systems. The last > was a 332 system with stackable 2" x 3" peripherals. I had > intended to run RTEMS on it, but always wanted Linux. I have > built gcc/egcs cross-compilers for x86/Linux hosts to m68k > targets. I have built gdb/ddd with BDM target control. I > have run all those tools successfully and have always wondered > why people buy $20K development tools when such great tools > are available for free (I'm sure there are good reasons - no > need to flame that remark). > > I have built all these system for automotive embedded control > and data acquisition. I have built several data acquisition > systems and have built an ignition and a fuel injection system. > I have modeled those systems in Matlab/Octave. > > I'm thinking this project would be great for a distributed, > embedded data acquisition system (my preference is race cars, > but anything will do). > > Questions for the group: > > (1) Has any thought gone into adding real-time capabilities > (RTLinux) to this uCSimm Linux distro? > > (2) The hardware seems mature, are there any open issues that > I can help solve? > > (3) Seems like some peripherals need to be built (A/D, D/A, etc.). > I would love to design some. How does a peripheral talk back > to the uCSimm MB? (What is the preferred way?) > > (4) I would _LOVE_ to have Java running on this sucker. I'd be > willing to write the native C code device drivers if someone > else would write/port a JVM. I know it's not hard real-time, > but soft-real time will do in most data acquisition systems. > > (5) I don't want to step on any feet here, but a SIMM doesn't seem > the most rugged connection for a fielded embedded system (I'm > thinking 180mph car). But I don't know - any experiences? I'm > used to using IDC/DIN connectors and screws to hold the MB and > peripherals together. > > Great project! I can't wait to contribute. I have been looking > for a m68k/embedded/Linux project for a while. > > -tim drury > > > ------------------------------------------ > Tim Drury > Ciber Information Services > email: tim_drury@bscc.bls.com > inter@ctive pager: ciber1@bellsouthips.com > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 9 06:10:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03340 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:08:04 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990709024904.016c82b0@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 02:49:46 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Another tiny network computer In-Reply-To: <3784F262.50AE6324@raleigh.ibm.com> References: <4F1A22492911D2118E3200805FE65B8502C9D796@sbsccexm01.bscc.bls.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org >The Geek Clock could be a reality. :) Heh heh! FWIW, I have the go-ahead to get started on this project, money-wise. Just waiting for the uCSimms' to arrive, and doing the research on LCD screens in the meantime. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 9 06:54:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03415 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:54:22 -0400 Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA3CC@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.org'" Subject: [uCsimm] pre-registration for the kit Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:36:37 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hi Ucsimm parents, Have you got my pre-order, which I sent through the web page ? I got no feedback... My boss is going on holliday, i don't know whether he will sign my order before he goes. Bye, JLB materiel.sa@horoquartz.fr This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 9 07:59:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03544 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 07:59:26 -0400 Message-ID: <4F1A22492911D2118E3200805FE65B8502C9D79D@sbsccexm01.bscc.bls.com> From: Drury Tim To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.org'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] I2C Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 07:40:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I've used both. About 3 or 4 years ago I2C implementations had a lot of bugs. Some Motorola stuff didn't work (mostly HC11) and Microchip often exaggerated their I2C capability (_you_ ended up having to implement the hard stuff in software). Personally, I've found SPI to be much easier. The I2C multi-master is a cool feature, but difficult to implement; i.e. hardware implementation is best when it works, but often you have to write some tricky software. -tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org]On > Behalf Of Bob > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 3:30 PM > To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Subject: Re: [uCsimm] I2C > > > Another option other than i2c would be using SPI in my case if it is > easier, the microcontroller that i am connecting supports > both protocols > and i noticed that the motorolla chip supports SPI directly. does > anyone have any experience using either protocol? Which > would be easier > to implement? What are the advantages/disadvantages of each? > > Thanks > Bob Davis > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 9 08:09:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03597 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:09:40 -0400 Message-ID: <4F1A22492911D2118E3200805FE65B8502C9D79E@sbsccexm01.bscc.bls.com> From: Drury Tim To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.org'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] intro and experience Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 07:51:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > For the dragonball, do you, or who on the list, knows a cheap > product with > // port and windows interface for debugging throughout the > emulation port ? Going out on a limb I'm going to assume that 332 BDM is the same as Dragonball BDM (or does Dragonball use JTAG?). If so, you can build a simple 2-chip BDM interface for about $2 in parts. A little searching through the EFI332 archives near http://efi332.eng.ohio-state.edu/efi332/environment.html#embed_debug will get the schematics. A patch to gdb-4.16 (and 4.17 I think) is available. I know the graphical DDD front-end to gdb also works. I was using this to debug C/C++ code from a Linux host to a 332 target that I built. All for free. If by a "windows" interface you mean "Windoz" interface, then I would suggest looking into the Cygwin project located at http://sourceware.cygnus.com/cygwin/. This is a Windows port of most of the GNU tools. DDD/gdb above should port, but I haven't tried it. And I don't know about the BDM patch; it will be harder to port since its hardware (x86) specific. -tim This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 9 09:48:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03779 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:46:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01beca0e$3a8b1960$3a02e0c7@libretto> From: "Ken Hansen" To: Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Another tiny network computer Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:24:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org A real nice use would be to make a Palm Pilot network connection, to allow you to put a Palm on your ethernet backbone *without* taking up a serial port on your workstation... Just one of *many* uses for a small system with serial/ethernet connectivity... Ken khansen@njcc.com -----Original Message----- From: Chris Hedemark To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Another tiny network computer >Malcolm Slaney wrote: > >> The best news is at the bottom. They are planning to do a one chip >> version that costs about $15 late this year or early next year. > >Wow. > >The Geek Clock could be a reality. :) > >I just wish they could squeeze more memory on it. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 9 11:07:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03972 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:04:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:45:51 -0400 From: John Mitchell To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] Java (was: Another tiny network computer) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Andrew Hobgood wrote: > You know, it's strange... if you read the notes that Dallas has up there > on application potential... some of the stuff seems like it'd be handled > much better by a well-established smart card system, rather than ground- > up development of a new entry or vending system... They've firmly succumbed to the "add more Java and things will be better" camp. At JavaOne in San Fran last month, there was a few small cabinets displaying "ALL THESE TINY DEVICES RUN JAVA", like a VCR, a phone, numbers of PDAs, and maybe a watch or something. To which, I replied, who cares? I'm still not really getting the "ethernet is good" viewpoint. Yes, it is, but for consumer devices you'd probably want something like USB (one cable supplies fast network plus power) or a short-haul wireless solution. I remember a ultra-fancy Kodak printer that ran Unix: they used a SparcStation board! Of course, when they attached the SCSI to a Mac the first time, it blew up the Mac: both the Unix printer and the Mac wanted to be the master... - j "I'm sorry Lois, but your monkey friend's going down." --Superman This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 9 12:25:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04175 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:25:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:07:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Simon X-Sender: simon@bigmac To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] Preorder and performance Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Is there any data yet on performance of the ucSIMM ethernet port? I'm thinking of using this to process some _very_ slow network traffic (like maybe 1MB/S) with some pretty mimimal overhead - just wondering processor and interface wise what I might be able to expect. I'll second the earlier posting regarding pre-order. I submitted on the web page, but haven't heard back within 24 hours as promised... Mike Simon This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From jwillcox@iupui.edu Fri Jul 9 12:48:46 1999 Received: from coyote.iupui.edu (coyote.iupui.edu [134.68.220.82]) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04319 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:48:46 -0400 Received: from ruby.iupui.edu (jwillcox@ruby.iupui.edu [134.68.220.73]) by coyote.iupui.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.18IUPUIPO) with SMTP id LAA22554 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:30:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:30:51 -0500 (EST) From: James Paul Willcox To: ucsimm-list@uclinux.org Subject: Misc. Questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I read about uCsimm on slashdot the other day and have since taken some interest in the project. I'm pretty sure I want one, but I have a few questions for you guys first. 1) The page that you link to on the motorola website for the dragonball states that the integrated lcd controller is capable of using a 640x512 color lcd. The specs you provided on the uCsimm say it can only do 320x240 monochrome. Why? 2) Any idea where I could get one of these QVGA (1/4 vga?) lcd panels? I've been to a few websites of the manufacturers of these things, but have been unable to find someone that will actually sell me one. Is it possible to use a monochrome laptop display? That's all for now :) Thanks, James Willcox From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 9 13:11:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04354 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:10:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3786287E.2846A5EF@combimatrix.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:51:13 -0700 From: Al Pierce Organization: CombiMatrix Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Java (was: Another tiny network computer) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org USB is not a network, it requires a master to coordinate transfers. Firewire would be the best choice but the fabric implementations are scarce. For now, if you want networkedsmart devices, ethernet is the best bet. John Mitchell wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Andrew Hobgood wrote: > > > You know, it's strange... if you read the notes that Dallas has up there > > on application potential... some of the stuff seems like it'd be handled > > much better by a well-established smart card system, rather than ground- > > up development of a new entry or vending system... > > They've firmly succumbed to the "add more Java and things will be better" > camp. At JavaOne in San Fran last month, there was a few small cabinets > displaying "ALL THESE TINY DEVICES RUN JAVA", like a VCR, a phone, numbers > of PDAs, and maybe a watch or something. To which, I replied, who cares? > > I'm still not really getting the "ethernet is good" viewpoint. Yes, it > is, but for consumer devices you'd probably want something like USB (one > cable supplies fast network plus power) or a short-haul wireless solution. > > I remember a ultra-fancy Kodak printer that ran Unix: they used a > SparcStation board! Of course, when they attached the SCSI to a Mac the > first time, it blew up the Mac: both the Unix printer and the Mac wanted > to be the master... > > - j > > "I'm sorry Lois, but your monkey friend's going down." --Superman > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm -- Al Pierce Senior Engineer CombiMatrix Corporation 887 Mitten Road #200 Burlingame CA 94010 Desk(650) 697-5115 x18 Fax (650) 697-4446 email apierce@combimatrix.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 9 14:08:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04542 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:07:16 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990709104231.0156ce30@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:45:30 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Java (was: Another tiny network computer) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org >I'm still not really getting the "ethernet is good" viewpoint. Yes, it >is, but for consumer devices you'd probably want something like USB (one >cable supplies fast network plus power) or a short-haul wireless solution. Sure, USB would be nice, but ethernet is far simpler to use at this point in terms of networking. With USB, you're limited to the USB hub, unless you write some sort of bridge that functions between ethernet/modem and the USB port. With ethernet, you can just put your device on the network, standalone, and away you go. Consumer devices are one thing. Cool devices that plug into an ethernet network and do something nifty are another thing entirely. Usually, the latter becomes the former fairly rapidly... And keeping things somewhat self-sufficient by being able to function on a standard ethernet network may tend to avoid problems like this from occurring: >I remember a ultra-fancy Kodak printer that ran Unix: they used a >SparcStation board! Of course, when they attached the SCSI to a Mac the >first time, it blew up the Mac: both the Unix printer and the Mac wanted >to be the master... That's the result of a very poor SCSI implementation ... j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 9 14:15:54 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04572 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:15:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:47:40 -0400 (EWT) From: Andrew Hobgood To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Another tiny network computer In-Reply-To: <000a01beca0e$3a8b1960$3a02e0c7@libretto> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > A real nice use would be to make a Palm Pilot network > connection, to allow you to put a Palm on your ethernet > backbone *without* taking up a serial port on your > workstation... Just one of *many* uses for a small system > with serial/ethernet connectivity... Funny you should mention... my 2 projects as soon as I get my uCsimm are a serial/ethernet gateway for my Pilot, as well as a portable ethernet sniffer device with local display (to a pilot), as well as remote logging over the network. /Andrew This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 9 15:03:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04664 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:03:12 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:31:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Uwe Hahn X-Sender: uwe@panacea.robin.de To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] I2C In-Reply-To: <3784FC27.8AB89219@utdallas.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by ns1.rt-control.com id PAA04662 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Bob wrote: > Another option other than i2c would be using SPI in my case if it > is easier, the microcontroller that i am connecting supports both > protocols and i noticed that the motorolla chip supports SPI > directly. does anyone have any experience using either protocol? > Which would be easier to implement? What are the > advantages/disadvantages of each? Well for one, SPI needs a /CS signal, meaning that for each card or device or unit attached, you will need an select line. If you've got enough, SPI is definitely simpler. I²C does not need this, but it is harder to implement. I have used both protocols on a Z80, programmed the SPI stuff for EEPROMs, CoDecs and a Motorola DSP directly in assembler (easy) but used the Philips PCF8584 (hm, is that right?) for I²C, much better. You need a master device and several slave devices and the protocol is difficult and quite time consuming, so let hardware do it. As for speed, the fast mode in I²C is it, I think 1,5MBit/s (but not sure, sorry, didn't use it). Hope this helps a bit... Greetings, Uwe -- ][ Uwe Hahn http://www.robin.de/~uwe/ Linux? Yes! ][ ][ Spiel, Spaß, Spannung: http://www.robin.de/ ][ ][ Rödermark, Germany e-mail: uwe@hahn.RoBIN.de ][ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 9 15:54:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04789 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:52:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199907091935.OAA21580@server.nowonder.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 14:35:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Java (was: Another tiny network computer) From: "Luis Fernando Rocha" To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org But you could use a uCsimm in a device to create that master, and then have a simm in each device that needs to be connected to the network. If you need more devices than the 127 limit in USB, then you can easily add another master networked to the original, networking each one. Just a thought. Luis Rocha > USB is not a network, it requires a master to coordinate transfers. > Firewire would be > the best choice but the fabric implementations are scarce. For now, if you want > networkedsmart devices, ethernet is the best bet. > > John Mitchell wrote: > >> On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Andrew Hobgood wrote: >> >> > You know, it's strange... if you read the notes that Dallas has up there >> > on application potential... some of the stuff seems like it'd be handled >> > much better by a well-established smart card system, rather than ground- >> > up development of a new entry or vending system... >> >> They've firmly succumbed to the "add more Java and things will be better" >> camp. At JavaOne in San Fran last month, there was a few small cabinets >> displaying "ALL THESE TINY DEVICES RUN JAVA", like a VCR, a phone, numbers >> of PDAs, and maybe a watch or something. To which, I replied, who cares? >> >> I'm still not really getting the "ethernet is good" viewpoint. Yes, it >> is, but for consumer devices you'd probably want something like USB (one >> cable supplies fast network plus power) or a short-haul wireless solution. >> >> I remember a ultra-fancy Kodak printer that ran Unix: they used a >> SparcStation board! Of course, when they attached the SCSI to a Mac the >> first time, it blew up the Mac: both the Unix printer and the Mac wanted >> to be the master... >> >> - j >> >> "I'm sorry Lois, but your monkey friend's going down." --Superman >> >> This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server > http://www.uClinux.org/simm > > -- > Al Pierce > Senior Engineer > > CombiMatrix Corporation > 887 Mitten Road #200 > Burlingame CA 94010 > > Desk(650) 697-5115 x18 > Fax (650) 697-4446 > email apierce@combimatrix.com > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server > http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 9 15:55:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04799 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:55:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199907091938.OAA21685@server.nowonder.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 14:38:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Another tiny network computer From: "Luis Fernando Rocha" To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hey, I would like something like this, Andrew. Luis >> A real nice use would be to make a Palm Pilot network >> connection, to allow you to put a Palm on your ethernet >> backbone *without* taking up a serial port on your >> workstation... Just one of *many* uses for a small system >> with serial/ethernet connectivity... > > Funny you should mention... my 2 projects as soon as I get my uCsimm are > a serial/ethernet gateway for my Pilot, as well as a portable ethernet > sniffer device with local display (to a pilot), as well as remote logging > over the network. > > /Andrew > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server > http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 9 16:22:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04884 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:21:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: Ziolko Ryan-crz074 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] Interrupts Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:03:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hello All- How well does uclinux handle interrupts? I want to have it used to watch the parallel port for 2 clock signals... can this be done easily? --------------------------------------------------------------- Ryan Ziolko Secure Design Center, Motorola Inc. Phone: 847-538-6662 Email: Ryan.Ziolko@motorola.com --------------------------------------------------------------- This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 9 18:18:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05170 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:18:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:00:16 -0400 (EWT) From: Andrew Hobgood To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Another tiny network computer In-Reply-To: <199907091938.OAA21685@server.nowonder.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Hey, I would like something like this, Andrew. > > > > Funny you should mention... my 2 projects as soon as I get my uCsimm are > > a serial/ethernet gateway for my Pilot, as well as a portable ethernet > > sniffer device with local display (to a pilot), as well as remote logging > > over the network. Well, after I find out A) how to put software into the flash, B) get my uCsimm in hand, and C) get a week or so of development time to build my host board and get a decent enclosure, I'll release details on both projects, as well as code under the GPL. /Andrew This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 9 20:34:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05423 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:33:22 -0400 Message-ID: <3786903B.12843192@execpc.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:13:47 -0500 From: Rick Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] I2C References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Uwe Hahn wrote: > As for speed, the fast mode in I²C is it, I think 1,5MBit/s (but not > sure, sorry, didn't use it). Fast mode I2C is 400kb/sec. Normal mode is 100kb/sec. From the aux micro perspective it doesn't matter which you use, it supports both in hardware. From the SIMM side SPI is *much* faster, because it supports SPI in hardware at ~1Mb/sec vs having to bit bang I2C. Then again if you have a lot of devices the pin shortage on the SIMM will be the limiting factor. I2C does however have one advantage, by definition it sends packets. So you don't have to spend any time trying to figure out what any given byte in a message represents. SPI OTOH just swaps bytes, so you have to figure out if a byte even means anything, then you have to frame the data stream, then you can finally parse it. For high level comms it can be a pain. SPI was intended mainly as a fast way to load shift regs and such. I personally don't care, just giving a heads up. -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 9 22:58:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05671 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:56:57 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01beca7d$7d413220$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: Subject: [uCsimm] Delay in confirmations. Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:39:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I would like to thank those who registered their purchase request on the www.uclinux.com/orderdesk web site. Jeff and I have not been able to confirm the receipt of orders yet due to the volume of questions related to the roll out of the product. Not to mention stopping the slashdot effect from bringing down the server. Our ISP must hate us now! To answer a few questions .... We will be requesting initial payment on the site by Cheque or Money order only. Why ... you may ask .... the bank we deal with is dragging their feet on setting up our Mastercard and VISA accounts. Something about putting up a bond that we do not have. Hmm... darn banks. When we send out the first round of confirmations (tommorow) we will include a tracking number and instructions on where to send cheques and money orders. If you do not hear from us by Monday with a confirmation ... then please email directly to our orderdesk@uclinux.com We are confident that no orders have been lost. Some people have entered duplicate orders fearing that their first order had gone a stray. Mind you one person asked for only a host board and no uCsimms. Sigh. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sat Jul 10 01:28:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05978 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:27:32 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:09:36 -0500 (EST) From: James Paul Willcox To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] Misc. Questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hi everybody, I read about uCsimm on slashdot the other day and have since taken an interest in it. I'm pretty sure I want one (I don't know why, though), but I have a few questions first. 1) The specs for the uCsimm say that it will drive a QVGA (320x240) monochrome lcd, but when I read the datasheet for the dragonball, it says it can drive a 640x512 color lcd. Why the difference? 2) Anybody know where I can get a cheap QVGA lcd panel? 3) How does one get data into the Flash ROM? (like the OS, for instance) Sorry for all the questions. Thanks, James Willcox This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sat Jul 10 03:32:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06214 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 03:31:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3786F234.C8C84C18@execpc.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:11:48 -0500 From: Rick Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Misc. Questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org James Paul Willcox wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I read about uCsimm on slashdot the other day and have since taken an > interest in it. I'm pretty sure I want one (I don't know why, though), > but I have a few questions first. > > 1) The specs for the uCsimm say that it will drive a QVGA (320x240) > monochrome lcd, but when I read the datasheet for the dragonball, it says > it can drive a 640x512 color lcd. Why the difference? It runs 640x512 in black and white mode, i.e. 1 bit per pixel, and 320x240 in grey scale mode, 4 bits per pixel. Mainly because 320x240 is the most common size for this type of display, and striaght B/W looks like shit. > 2) Anybody know where I can get a cheap QVGA lcd panel? I'm working on that. > 3) How does one get data into the Flash ROM? (like the OS, for instance) It has a file system on the FLASH chip. Use a dumb terminal or equivalent to login and set up the network. Then you can FTP the files up through the network connection. Then you can ditch the terminal and use the serial port to control or monitor a device from afar using telnet, email, web, etc. -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sat Jul 10 04:44:54 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06356 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 04:44:22 -0400 Organization: DFKI Kaiserslautern GmbH, D 67663 Kaiserslautern Message-Id: <199907100825.KAA11362@serv-401.dfki.uni-kl.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org cc: hein@dfki.uni-kl.de Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Delay in confirmations. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Jul 1999 22:39:51 EDT." <002b01beca7d$7d413220$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:25:45 +0200 From: Hans-Guenther Hein Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > We will be requesting initial payment on the site by Cheque or > Money order only. Why ... you may ask .... the bank we deal with > is dragging their feet on setting up our Mastercard and VISA > accounts. Something about putting up a bond that we do not > have. Hmm... darn banks. This will be a problem for orders coming from abroad, since money orders in foreign currency are hardly possible. The alternative would be sending a registered letter with cash !?? Best regards, Hans This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sat Jul 10 05:23:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06425 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 05:23:44 -0400 From: Glen Harris Message-Id: <199907100855.SAA15034@solwarra.gbrmpa.gov.au> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Delay in confirmations. To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:55:36 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199907100825.KAA11362@serv-401.dfki.uni-kl.de> from "Hans-Guenther Hein" at Jul 10, 99 10:25:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org According to Hans-Guenther Hein: > > We will be requesting initial payment on the site by Cheque or > > Money order only. Why ... you may ask .... the bank we deal with > > is dragging their feet on setting up our Mastercard and VISA > > accounts. Something about putting up a bond that we do not > > have. Hmm... darn banks. > > This will be a problem for orders coming from abroad, since money orders > in foreign currency are hardly possible. The alternative > would be sending a registered letter with cash !?? Our postal service offers US currency postal orders at a charge of $8, and most banks have a foreign currency section which can issue cheques in several currencies for about $10. I use the Post Office, not because they are $2 cheaper, but the transaction is complete in 5 minutes, rather than the banks, which take half an hour and make you jump through several hoops for the privelege. glen. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sat Jul 10 05:49:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06480 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 05:49:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3787140B.6155BC97@worldonline.nl> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 11:36:11 +0200 From: Joop Boonen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.3.5 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Misc. Questions References: <3786F234.C8C84C18@execpc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Dear Rick, 1) Is there also an estimated price for the display and PCB? 2) Will is be build so it can be used as a palm computer? Thank you very much. I'm very interested in this project as it will be able to run linux and hopefully it will also be a palm device. Regards, Joop Boonen. Rick Farmer wrote: > > James Paul Willcox wrote: > > > Hi everybody, > > > > I read about uCsimm on slashdot the other day and have since taken an > > interest in it. I'm pretty sure I want one (I don't know why, though), > > but I have a few questions first. > > > > 1) The specs for the uCsimm say that it will drive a QVGA (320x240) > > monochrome lcd, but when I read the datasheet for the dragonball, it says > > it can drive a 640x512 color lcd. Why the difference? > > It runs 640x512 in black and white mode, i.e. 1 bit per pixel, and 320x240 in grey scale > mode, 4 bits per pixel. Mainly because 320x240 is the most common size for this type of > display, and striaght B/W looks like shit. > > > 2) Anybody know where I can get a cheap QVGA lcd panel? > > I'm working on that. > > > 3) How does one get data into the Flash ROM? (like the OS, for instance) > > It has a file system on the FLASH chip. Use a dumb terminal or equivalent to login and > set up the network. Then you can FTP the files up through the network connection. Then > you can ditch the terminal and use the serial port to control or monitor a device from > afar using telnet, email, web, etc. > > -- > Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 > Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 > rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sat Jul 10 12:24:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07161 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:21:58 -0400 Subject: RE: [uCsimm] intro and experience Date: Sat, 10 Jul 99 09:06:25 -0700 x-sender: harlan@pop.slip.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: harlan To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On 7/9/99, Jean-Luc LE BEC wrote: >For display in embedded solutions, we have choosen a planar 1/4 VGA. >Peripherals will be added either through CAN bus or a local microchip >controler with flash, A/D, etc.. Jean-Luc, Could you provide some info about the "planar 1/4 VGA" display? Thanks, ...Harlan This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sat Jul 10 17:17:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07846 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:16:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000801becb17$749bb380$0200a8c0@satch> From: "brad.more" To: References: Subject: Re: [uCsimm] intro and experience Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:01:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Planar is a manufacturer .. nice stuff... www.planar.com I've spoken with them a few times. Alway seemed helpful and pleasant. r/BRM ----- Original Message ----- From: harlan To: Sent: Saturday, July 10, 1999 12:06 PM Subject: RE: [uCsimm] intro and experience > On 7/9/99, Jean-Luc LE BEC wrote: > >For display in embedded solutions, we have choosen a planar 1/4 VGA. > >Peripherals will be added either through CAN bus or a local microchip > >controler with flash, A/D, etc.. > > Jean-Luc, > > Could you provide some info about the "planar 1/4 VGA" display? > > Thanks, > > ...Harlan > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sat Jul 10 20:36:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08190 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 20:34:27 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990710170735.01543e40@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:15:52 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: [uCsimm] LCD Display options. In-Reply-To: <000801becb17$749bb380$0200a8c0@satch> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Anyone seen any pro's/con's to using any of these displays with the uCSimm kit? As far as I can tell these screens are compatible, though I am not an electronics engineer (I'm a programmer) ... These displays fit the bill for the applications I have in mind in terms of dimensions and resolution, but I only hope they are compatible or can easily be used with the uCSimm: http://www.planar.com/pam/products/sgd/el32024036.htm http://www.planar.com/pam/products/lcd/modgraph.htm#320200 http://www.planar.com/pam/products/lcd/modgraph.htm#320240 http://www.planar.com/pam/products/ice/el640200sk.htm (I don't think this is supported, am I wrong?) http://www.planar.com/pam/products/color/amlcd05_5.htm (Color display, may not be supported right?) And lastly, its not supported, I don't think, but wouldn't it be cool: http://www.planar.com/pam/products/micro/amel64051212.htm j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sat Jul 10 22:20:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08388 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:18:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3787FA78.DF6F2F88@execpc.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 20:59:21 -0500 From: Rick Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] LCD Display options. References: <4.1.19990710170735.01543e40@teklab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Jay Vaughan wrote: > Anyone seen any pro's/con's to using any of these displays with the uCSimm > kit? As far as I can tell these screens are compatible, though I am not an > electronics engineer (I'm a programmer) ... > > These displays fit the bill for the applications I have in mind in terms of > dimensions and resolution, but I only hope they are compatible or can > easily be used with the uCSimm: > > http://www.planar.com/pam/products/sgd/el32024036.htm > > http://www.planar.com/pam/products/lcd/modgraph.htm#320200 > http://www.planar.com/pam/products/lcd/modgraph.htm#320240 > > http://www.planar.com/pam/products/ice/el640200sk.htm > (I don't think this is supported, am I wrong?) > > http://www.planar.com/pam/products/color/amlcd05_5.htm > (Color display, may not be supported right?) > > And lastly, its not supported, I don't think, but wouldn't it be cool: > > http://www.planar.com/pam/products/micro/amel64051212.htm Those are all nice displays, and as I recall they use the same interface. They are expensive though, and also draw a ton of power. -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sun Jul 11 06:04:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09271 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 06:03:06 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:45:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Bart Kus X-Sender: eo@marvin To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] PCB software Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hello, I'm wondering what PCB design/routing software you guys (anybody on this list that makes PCBs) use. Something Linux-ish would be best, but DOS/Windows is acceptable too. I've had terrible luck finding anything nice. And some of my PCB designs need more advanced routing functions than those offered by EazyTrax/my brain. Thanks! --Bart This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sun Jul 11 08:25:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09500 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 08:23:25 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:55:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Powell X-Sender: spowell@hamster.barclay.net To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] LCD Display options. In-Reply-To: <3787FA78.DF6F2F88@execpc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Sat, 10 Jul 1999, Rick Farmer wrote: > Those are all nice displays, and as I recall they use the same interface. They are > expensive though, and also draw a ton of power. What are some displays that are best recommended by the list? It would be fantastic if there was a page listing recommended components on the uCsimm site. --Stef This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sun Jul 11 10:14:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09726 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:13:13 -0400 From: flobro@mindspring.com Message-ID: <3788A239.C5B667AB@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:55:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] PCB software References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Bart Kus wrote: > Hello, > > I'm wondering what PCB design/routing software you guys (anybody > on this list that makes PCBs) use. Something Linux-ish would be best, but > DOS/Windows is acceptable too. I've had terrible luck finding anything > nice. And some of my PCB designs need more advanced routing functions > than those offered by EazyTrax/my brain. > > Thanks! > > --Bart > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm Eagle-- Eagle!! They have a non-commercial version for free on Win32 and Linux. I use them all and they work well. http://www.cadsoft.de is where they are - there is a US address that escapes me now... This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sun Jul 11 12:28:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09983 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 12:25:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3788C0C2.972D9796@execpc.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:05:22 -0500 From: Rick Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] PCB software References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Bart Kus wrote: > Hello, > > I'm wondering what PCB design/routing software you guys (anybody > on this list that makes PCBs) use. Something Linux-ish would be best, but > DOS/Windows is acceptable too. I've had terrible luck finding anything > nice. And some of my PCB designs need more advanced routing functions > than those offered by EazyTrax/my brain. I use protel, see http://www.protel.com, I'm very pleased with it. Win9x/NT only though. -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sun Jul 11 14:22:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10308 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:21:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01becbc8$92d23520$a694d6c6@Virigina> From: "Bob" To: References: Subject: Re: [uCsimm] LCD Display options. Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:09:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org A display that i am strongly considering using is a Sharp display... http://www.sharpmeg.com/products/lcd/viewlcdDetails.asp?Q=STN&partid=42 It is 240x160 and it's physical dimensions are 83.0 x 63.0 x 8.2 which make it perfect for my product. They also have many more options to choose from, take a look at their site. Seiko is the manufacturer of the display that i currently use on a different device and works great. dont have a url handy though. Bob mailto:bobd@utdalllas.edu This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sun Jul 11 19:21:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10895 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 19:16:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:58:02 +1000 (EST) From: Kevin Dawson To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] PCB software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Sun, 11 Jul 1999, Bart Kus wrote: > I'm wondering what PCB design/routing software you guys (anybody > on this list that makes PCBs) use. Something Linux-ish would be best, but > DOS/Windows is acceptable too. I've had terrible luck finding anything > nice. And some of my PCB designs need more advanced routing functions > than those offered by EazyTrax/my brain. I have Protel, ranging from EasyTrax to Protel98 with most things in between. While I've dabbled with OrCad, P-CAD and 1 or 2 others, I haven't used them enough to make a reasonable comparison. There are a lot of simple (inexpensive/free) PCB layout tools, but they generally have various limitations that stop them from being useful for serious work. One day I hope Protel will be available on Linux - should ask them. A few of us on the list also do this sort of thing for a job and could easily find some spare CPU cycles to change your ideas into a work of art :-) Kevin This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sun Jul 11 19:39:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10938 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 19:37:01 -0400 From: doug@los-gatos.net Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990711161616.006aca84@catzone.los-gatos.net> X-Sender: doug@catzone.los-gatos.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:16:16 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] newbie questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Guys, I stumbled across the uClinux site the other day, and I like what is happening here. I have a couple of newbie questions thoough, sorry if these are FAQ items. 1) On the order page at uClinux (for the ucSimm) it is not clear if payment is due immediately or when the boards are ready for shipping. Can somebody please clue me in? 2) When is the expected delivery date of the kits? 3) Is there any Java-related work going on? Thanks, Doug This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sun Jul 11 19:53:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10971 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 19:50:48 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990711162705.017cb910@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:30:21 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: [uCsimm] Mass storage ideas. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Let me preface this with: I am not an electronics engineer. I'm a programmer, with a leaning towards hardware hacking. I was thinking last night about mass storage options for my GeekClock project. Am I correct in presuming that the absence of MMU in the Dragonball means that such things as tacking on an IDE/SCSI controller chipset would be difficult, and/or impossible? What about SmartFlash? Is there any value to pursuing what it would take to add SmartFlash cards to the uCsimm system, either as an add-on board or perhaps as a future revision of the uCsimm itself? I'm willing to spend time writing drivers for such things if the door is open from a hardware perspective... j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sun Jul 11 19:54:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10980 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 19:52:16 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990711163029.019426f0@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:33:10 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: [uCsimm] LCD Display options. In-Reply-To: References: <3787FA78.DF6F2F88@execpc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org >What are some displays that are best recommended by the list? It would be >fantastic if there was a page listing recommended components on the uCsimm >site. >--Stef I'd say the best way for this to happen is if we all pitch in, find URL's, discuss pro's and con's for the various components, and someone put together a list. I'm sure the uCsimm project guys are very busy trying to get the system boards ready, and I don't see any reason why they should be solely responsible for component evaluation, or (since we can't evaluate until we all get our own uCsimm kits), why we can't just match specs on components and come up with a list ourselves. My point is, I'm keeping track of the components I find that are compatible, and will be evaluating them when I get my uCsimm kit. I'm also scouring Nuts&Volts magazine, and the web as well, to get further details on components/accessories that can be used with the uCsimm. The more volunteers we get to do this, the sooner the list of compatible components will be up on the web, I'm sure. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sun Jul 11 21:06:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11186 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:03:36 -0400 From: Darren Humphrey To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] LCD Display options. Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:27:51 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.17] Content-Type: text/plain References: <4.1.19990711163029.019426f0@teklab.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99071116300500.02182@noname.nodomain.nowhere> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Sun, 11 Jul 1999, you wrote: > > I'd say the best way for this to happen is if we all pitch in, find URL's, > discuss pro's and con's for the various components, and someone put > together a list. Fabulous idea! An online FAQ which details what the minimum specs for compatible LCDs are and then a list with part numbers, prices and URLs to supplies to would be really cool. The more stuff like this there is on the website, the more uCsimms will get sold. Darren This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sun Jul 11 23:04:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11459 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:01:31 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:43:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Julian Bleecker To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] PCB software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Personally? I use Protel and also have a copy of EDWinNC, which is more than an order of magnitude cheaper (about $150 versus $5k for Protel). They don't compare for high-grade professional work, but if you're just looking to spin a few boards, EDWinNC works just fine. There's also a freeware app for various Unices called PCB. It doesn't have an autorouter or circuit simulation, but otherwise it's fairly good. There was an article about it in The Linux Journal a couple of months ago. Hmmm, i'm not sure where I picked it up but the README shows the author as Thomas.Nau@rz.uni-ulm.de. There's a majordomo list: pcb@majordomo.uni-ulm.de. /julian Julian Bleecker mackdad@interport.net home: 718-789-0933 cell: 917-951-0719 On Sun, 11 Jul 1999, Bart Kus wrote: > Hello, > > I'm wondering what PCB design/routing software you guys (anybody > on this list that makes PCBs) use. Something Linux-ish would be best, but > DOS/Windows is acceptable too. I've had terrible luck finding anything > nice. And some of my PCB designs need more advanced routing functions > than those offered by EazyTrax/my brain. > > Thanks! > > --Bart > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sun Jul 11 23:36:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11531 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:33:41 -0400 Message-ID: <001601becc14$f2319320$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: <3.0.3.32.19990711161616.006aca84@catzone.los-gatos.net> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] newbie questions Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:16:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org doug asks: ... > 1) On the order page at uClinux (for the ucSimm) it is not > clear if payment is due immediately or when the boards > are ready for shipping. Can somebody please clue me in? We have not received our credit card account yet from the bank so we are booking orders. We will be notifying everyone who has ordered to forward a cheque, bank draft or money order payable to "RT-CONTROL". Mind you we are stuck calculating the courier rates and may provide an option to down grade to parcel mail instead of courier so people can save some money. FedEx is lots of money. > 2) When is the expected delivery date of the kits? The Board house has our plots and will be manufacturing the soone and promise boards within 4-5 weeks. Then the pick and place assemble people need 2 weeks to populate the boards. In all this we need to find enough money from the advance orders to purchase the parts. So if you have not ordered yet please do not delay we need a final count really soon. > 3) Is there any Java-related work going on? Hmm if people ask for it ... some time in the future it may become a reality. However ... I think a C compiler is plenty powerful for the uClinux project right now. -- Michael Durrant > Thanks, > Doug > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 00:19:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00202 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:11:45 -0400 From: Russell Nelson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:49:14 -0400 (EDT) To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Another tiny network computer In-Reply-To: References: <3784F262.50AE6324@raleigh.ibm.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14217.26010.424594.48598@desk.crynwr.com> X-Face: $K'YURj"g6ImvqTS_=]8)gqh!5;ElY<[.Rao%j8r+]iUfE{%|v%F<=mcq<6l{K=~mf&#:?" nslS]U~|x{2V=Eex_I#"9K~9)>?m7Lm={(j_&)SX~fzg&ST~P%QUhc{1p]c3@Zn1u*PZlkHM**X^vV l>GkB5y^Kz%w5p~^uDue]hL&ke,N;+Q > > The best news is at the bottom. They are planning to do a one chip > > > version that costs about $15 late this year or early next year. > > > > Wow. > > The Geek Clock could be a reality. :) > > I just wish they could squeeze more memory on it. > > You know, it's strange... if you read the notes that Dallas has up there > on application potential... some of the stuff seems like it'd be handled > much better by a well-established smart card system, rather than ground- > up development of a new entry or vending system... But Dallas is competing against smart cards with their iButton products. http://www.ibutton.com. -- -russ nelson http://crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr supports Open Source(tm) Software| PGPok | Government schools are so 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 00:19:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00237 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:16:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:55:09 -0500 From: Zach Metzinger To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] Reality check [was Re: Another tiny network computer] Message-ID: <19990711225509.A4326@bleck.ksu.ksu.edu> References: <000a01beca0e$3a8b1960$3a02e0c7@libretto> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Hobgood on Fri, Jul 09, 1999 at 01:47:40PM -0400 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Fri, Jul 09, 1999 at 01:47:40PM -0400, Andrew Hobgood wrote: > Funny you should mention... my 2 projects as soon as I get my uCsimm are > a serial/ethernet gateway for my Pilot, as well as a portable ethernet > sniffer device with local display (to a pilot), as well as remote logging > over the network. You're gonna be real disappointed when you put the ethernet into promisc mode. I would bet real money you're gonna drop 80% of the packets on a busy network. Hey guys, get a grip. The thing is meant as a robot-controller, or something along those lines. Put your toaster on the net. It's not gonna run java well, nor do NFS service any faster than your 386/16 did. --- Zach This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 02:32:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01466 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 02:25:40 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990711230307.0166dd60@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:05:23 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: [uCsimm] newbie questions In-Reply-To: <001601becc14$f2319320$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> References: <3.0.3.32.19990711161616.006aca84@catzone.los-gatos.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org At 11:16 PM 7/11/99 -0400, you wrote: >The Board house has our plots and will be manufacturing the >soone and promise boards within 4-5 weeks. Then the pick >and place assemble people need 2 weeks to populate the >boards. In all this we need to find enough money from the >advance orders to purchase the parts. So if you have not >ordered yet please do not delay we need a final count really >soon. Couple of questions: a) Can you clear this up for me - you need to get payment from the orders so that you can pay for the parts? How much is needed to cover mfr'ing costs? b) Any chance you'd consider selling the boards as a 'kit', Paia style (see http://www.paia.com/ for details)? c) Can I give you my business FedEx account to use to ship to me? This'd save on shipping costs for me personally. >> 3) Is there any Java-related work going on? > >Hmm if people ask for it ... some time in the future it may >become a reality. However ... I think a C compiler is plenty >powerful for the uClinux project right now. > Might be nice although somewhat impractical to someone have enough storage space onboard the uCSimm's to include a compiler/development environment ... j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 03:05:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01580 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 03:04:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 02:45:40 -0400 (EWT) From: Andrew Hobgood To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Reality check [was Re: Another tiny network computer] In-Reply-To: <19990711225509.A4326@bleck.ksu.ksu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > > Funny you should mention... my 2 projects as soon as I get my uCsimm are > > a serial/ethernet gateway for my Pilot, as well as a portable ethernet > > sniffer device with local display (to a pilot), as well as remote logging > > over the network. > > You're gonna be real disappointed when you put the ethernet into > promisc mode. I would bet real money you're gonna drop 80% of the > packets on a busy network. I don't care... my main reason is for a pilot gateway... all other projects are just going to be for the hell of it. > Hey guys, get a grip. The thing is meant as a robot-controller, or > something along those lines. Put your toaster on the net. It's not > gonna run java well, nor do NFS service any faster than your 386/16 > did. You ever use a 386/16 to do network analysis? I have... and it worked pretty damned well. /Andrew This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 03:07:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01589 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 03:06:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 02:47:31 -0400 (EWT) From: Andrew Hobgood To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Another tiny network computer In-Reply-To: <14217.26010.424594.48598@desk.crynwr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > But Dallas is competing against smart cards with their iButton > products. http://www.ibutton.com. Yeah... I know it... I used to have an iButton as an entry key to my workplace... I dunno... I like smart cards too much... they're fun toys. Plus, my campus, University of Michigan, has a nice smartcard infrastructure already in place, using Schlumberger PayFlex chips in student ID's for soda and candy vending. =) /Andrew This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 03:37:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01650 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 03:34:57 -0400 Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA3CE@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.org'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] intro and experience Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:16:02 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns1.rt-control.com id DAA01648 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org hi Harlan, have a look at http://www.planar.com call back if needed regards, Jean-Luc > -----Message d'origine----- > De: harlan [SMTP:harlan@slip.net] > Date: samedi 10 juillet 1999 18:06 > À: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Objet: RE: [uCsimm] intro and experience > > On 7/9/99, Jean-Luc LE BEC wrote: > >For display in embedded solutions, we have choosen a planar 1/4 VGA. > >Peripherals will be added either through CAN bus or a local microchip > >controler with flash, A/D, etc.. > > Jean-Luc, > > Could you provide some info about the "planar 1/4 VGA" display? > > Thanks, > > ...Harlan > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 03:49:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01683 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 03:47:24 -0400 Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA3CF@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.org'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] PCB software Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:28:28 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns1.rt-control.com id DAA01681 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org hi Bart, We use EAGLE, but unfortunately it does not support burried or blind vias. when we'll have to use BGA packages, we will have probably some routing problems. However, one of it's advantages is that it runs under linux... Does protel supports burried or blind vias ? bye, Jean-Luc LE BEC materiel.sa@horoquartz.fr > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Bart Kus [SMTP:eo@ERTW.ca] > Date: dimanche 11 juillet 1999 11:45 > À: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Objet: [uCsimm] PCB software > > Hello, > > I'm wondering what PCB design/routing software you guys (anybody > on this list that makes PCBs) use. Something Linux-ish would be best, but > DOS/Windows is acceptable too. I've had terrible luck finding anything > nice. And some of my PCB designs need more advanced routing functions > than those offered by EazyTrax/my brain. > > Thanks! > > --Bart > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 06:09:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02028 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 06:05:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.cern.ch: Host suncmspri1.cern.ch [137.138.126.122] claimed to be cern.ch Message-ID: <3789B989.E06235FB@cern.ch> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:46:49 +0200 From: Jean-Marie Bussat Organization: Princeton University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Mass storage ideas. References: <4.1.19990711162705.017cb910@teklab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hello Jay, > project. Am I correct in presuming that the absence of MMU in the > Dragonball means that such things as tacking on an IDE/SCSI controller > chipset would be difficult, and/or impossible? For IDE, I'm not sure that an MMU is "required". I see no links between using IDE/SCSI and the needs for an MMU (except if you want to do some DMA I guess) but I'm not very good in this subject and I'm probably wrong. There's no problems to connect an IDE drive to computers without MMU. There's some projects (that are working) around on the net where you can find IDE drives attached to 8 bits systems. For me the main problem in connecting a drive to uCsimm (I'm considering IDE because it is easier to use/program as the drive is seen like a normal peripheral) is the lack of I/O ports. If the speed is not really an issue, it should be possible to use SPI to create some additionnal parallel I/O (through some glue logic) to connect an IDE drive. Hope this helps. Regards, Jean-Marie -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jean-Marie Bussat - Dept. of physics, Princeton University | | CERN/EP - Bldg. 15-S-012 - CH-1211 GENEVA 23 - Switzerland | | Email: bussat@cern.ch | | Tel: (41 22) 767 32 41 Fax: (41 22) 767 32 41 | +------------------------------------------------------------+ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 07:05:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02133 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:03:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:38:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Uwe Hahn X-Sender: uwe@panacea.robin.de To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] I2C/SPI Issues In-Reply-To: <3786903B.12843192@execpc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by ns1.rt-control.com id HAA02131 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Rick Farmer wrote: > Fast mode I2C is 400kb/sec. Normal mode is 100kb/sec. Thanks for helping me out here :) > From the aux micro perspective it doesn't matter which you use, > it supports both in hardware. From the SIMM side SPI is *much* > faster, because it supports SPI in hardware at ~1Mb/sec vs having > to bit bang I2C. Yes, but that is just because you have no "overhead" in programming SPI?! I would say that using I²C with hardware would be smarter in this case. > Then again if you have a lot of devices the pin > shortage on the SIMM will be the limiting factor. Yes, that is the point. Even if you have the pins left over for usage. My project would use the µCSIMM in a 19" rack and would drive several I/O cards (about 20, maybe) with a (slow) bus, actually only giving bit-commands for maybe 24 relay contacts per card. Each card could have e.g. a 80C552 with I²C bus and would take a 3-byte+ command to set 24 outputs. And a reply. Same vice-versa with input, needing an Interrupt to say e.g: Hey, new input on card 15. There is no bus (Data, Address, CS, etc.) in my system, so using only two wires is a great thing, this can be done with 2 copper rails. Thinking about the cost factor here. > I2C does however have one advantage, by definition it sends > packets. So you don't have to spend any time trying to figure out > what any given byte in a message represents. But as I understand, programming I²C on the Dragonball would be a more complex and time-consuming task than SPI, is that right? [...] > For high level comms it can be a pain. SPI was intended mainly as > a fast way to load shift regs and such. I personally don't care, > just giving a heads up. Hm, still don't know how I'm gonna do it. Printed out the docs of the Dragonball and will take a closer look at it. As you can tell, I don't want to send too much data, so 100kBps will suffice, at least for my implementation, the relay contact is much slower than this :) Thank you for your comment, Uwe Hahn This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 07:47:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02248 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:45:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:34:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Jonas Bevren To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Reality check [was Re: Another tiny network computer] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Andrew Hobgood wrote: :> Hey guys, get a grip. The thing is meant as a robot-controller, or :> something along those lines. Put your toaster on the net. It's not :> gonna run java well, nor do NFS service any faster than your 386/16 :> did. : :You ever use a 386/16 to do network analysis? I have... and it worked :pretty damned well. Yes, a 386/16 does quite well. Mine did ~300k/sec using PIO cards (NE2k clones), but remember that network capability is quite well controlled by the interface device. That same 386/16 could easily push 1meg/sec (100% usage) on the same net when used with a DMA netcard. Processor speed means relatively little. :) 386/16: 300-540k/sec (PIO mode NE2000) mac IIx (68030/16mhz): 150-200k/sec xmit, buffer overrun recieve (200k/sec ok), using apple NuBus ehtercard (3com built them) 486/160: 500-800k/sec, same card as the 386 K6/240: 700-900k/sec, same card, communicating with a mediagx 200mhz (again same card) -Jonas This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 07:51:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02257 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:49:01 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:38:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Jonas Bevren To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Mass storage ideas. In-Reply-To: <3789B989.E06235FB@cern.ch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Jean-Marie Bussat wrote: : :Hello Jay, : :> project. Am I correct in presuming that the absence of MMU in the :> Dragonball means that such things as tacking on an IDE/SCSI controller :> chipset would be difficult, and/or impossible? : :For IDE, I'm not sure that an MMU is "required". I see no links :between using IDE/SCSI and the needs for an MMU (except if you :want to do some DMA I guess) but I'm not very good in this :subject and I'm probably wrong. IDE is a far fetch for UCSimm. It's been decided by another (long, somewhat flamed) thread earlier that this is beyond the scope of the device. :) The MMU isnt used for storage. It's not required for anything you would do in Linux. It provides a 'virtual' memory space for every application, protecting it from the others. In the M68K world, there's 'mmu', and there's 'Pmmu'. The P in pmmu stands for paged. This paging provides the virtual memory space, and thus virtual memory via harddisk storage. I'm not sure of the dragonball's MMU capacity, but I know for certain, if there is one, it's not 'paged'. -Jonas This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 08:30:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02389 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:28:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:59:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Powell X-Sender: spowell@hamster.barclay.net To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] LCD Display options. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990711163029.019426f0@teklab.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Sun, 11 Jul 1999, Jay Vaughan wrote: > >What are some displays that are best recommended by the list? It would be > >fantastic if there was a page listing recommended components on the uCsimm > >site. > >--Stef > > I'd say the best way for this to happen is if we all pitch in, find URL's, > discuss pro's and con's for the various components, and someone put > together a list. I've already sent a message volunteering to make an online database of FAQs and a resource DB. I haven't heard back yet. I can easily make an online resource where people can login and contribute to the FAQ and add annotations. --Stef This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 09:39:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02552 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:37:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000601becc69$cb358fb0$e2e492d1@www.geomedia-emin.com> From: "Colin Peart" To: Subject: [uCsimm] Shipping configuration Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:23:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-SLUIDL: 9BBAB463-360811D3-8D8F0060-083758D6 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On several of your web pages, you provide different information, or a list of options on how much flash ram will be on board. What is final the shipping configuration? How much of that will be left over after the kernel is put on? BTW: I noticed that Motorola has pre-built GPS modules with a rs-232 output. I think my ucSimm board is going to be doing gps work... --Colin Peart cpeart@uoguelph.ca Thie message sent using 100% recycled electrons. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 09:43:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02562 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:41:53 -0400 Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA3D1@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.org'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Mass storage ideas. Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:22:49 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns1.rt-control.com id JAA02560 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Jean-Marie Bussat [SMTP:bussat@cern.ch] > Date: lundi 12 juillet 1999 11:47 > À: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Objet: Re: [uCsimm] Mass storage ideas. > SNIP > > For me the main problem in connecting a drive to uCsimm > (I'm considering IDE because it is easier to use/program as > the drive is seen like a normal peripheral) is the lack of > I/O ports. If the speed is not really an issue, it should > be possible to use SPI to create some additionnal parallel > I/O (through some glue logic) to connect an IDE drive. > Why not using Ethernet for mass storage ? FTP or any other protocol over TCP/IP ? just need of finding someone making that small file server (another board with the cs8900 and the proper micro-controller) ... In embedded applications, we'll have to connect to a cdrom + hd unit, which will have to be placed in a secure location in the vehicle (temp, vibrations, thiefs). 10baseT is a good way for linking. bye, Jean-Luc LE BEC materiel.sa@horoquartz.fr This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 10:48:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02711 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:48:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: Ziolko Ryan-crz074 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] Sharp LCD Panel (Help...) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:29:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hello All- I have a Sharp LM64K837 24cm [9.4"] Transflective type, B/W STN-LCD Module[VGA Format] panel. I emailed Sharp to see if I could ge the pinouts... it has a 15 pin cable (along with some wires for the backlight...) going to it. The specs say it is just a vga screen. Can I simply connect it to a standard video port on a computer? What refresh rate would be used? I am assuming that you need some special controller... I just figured I would ask... --------------------------------------------------------------- Ryan Ziolko Secure Design Center, Motorola Inc. Phone: 847-538-6662 Email: Ryan.Ziolko@motorola.com --------------------------------------------------------------- This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 10:51:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02724 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:51:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: Ziolko Ryan-crz074 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] LCD Info URL Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:32:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Here is the Sharp's info on the panel... http://www.sharpsma.com/datasheets/displays/cstn/lm64k837.pdf --------------------------------------------------------------- Ryan Ziolko Secure Design Center, Motorola Inc. Phone: 847-538-6662 Email: Ryan.Ziolko@motorola.com --------------------------------------------------------------- This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 11:52:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02911 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:50:35 -0400 Message-ID: <004501becc7b$c039a6c0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: <000601becc69$cb358fb0$e2e492d1@www.geomedia-emin.com> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Shipping configuration Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:32:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Colin Peart asks: > What is final the shipping configuration? How much of that will be left > over after the kernel is put on? 2 MB FLASH ROM 8 MB DRAM after the kernel is burned into FLASH we have the size of about one floppy left. The KERNEL uses about 256K of the RAM. Bootloader uses 128K of RAM. This gives you about 7.5 MB of ram left to play. -- Michael and Jeff This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 12:15:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03093 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:15:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:00:56 +0000 (/etc/localtime) From: Jeff Steele To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: GPS card (was [uCsimm] Shipping configuration) In-Reply-To: <000601becc69$cb358fb0$e2e492d1@www.geomedia-emin.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Colin Peart wrote: > BTW: I noticed that Motorola has pre-built GPS modules with a rs-232 > output. I think my ucSimm board is going to be doing gps work... Colin (or anybody) : Any idea about price (small quantities) ? This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 12:19:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03103 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:19:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:00:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Simon X-Sender: simon@bigmac To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Shipping configuration In-Reply-To: <000601becc69$cb358fb0$e2e492d1@www.geomedia-emin.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Colin - Any links to that Motorolla imbedded GPS info? I think that might be one of the MANY uses I'll be putting this to, once I'm able to start mucking about with it... Mike On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Colin Peart wrote: > On several of your web pages, you provide different information, or a list > of options on how much flash ram will be on board. > What is final the shipping configuration? How much of that will be left > over after the kernel is put on? > > BTW: I noticed that Motorola has pre-built GPS modules with a rs-232 > output. I think my ucSimm board is going to be doing gps work... > --Colin Peart > cpeart@uoguelph.ca > Thie message sent using 100% recycled electrons. > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 12:21:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03112 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:21:10 -0400 Message-ID: <79ec9cee-4038-d311-bce4-00001b22ba2a@softsys.co.at> From: Erwin Authried Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:59:45 +0200 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Mass storage ideas. Organization: Softwareentwicklung und Systemdesign Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mail4u Version 1.3.02 beta (http://www.mail4u.home.at) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I missed the original post, but it seems that it was a question about possibilities for mass storage. I think that connecting one or more Serial Flash memories with an SPI interface would be a nice mass storage solution (Atmel Serial Dataflash). I have designed a flash memory board as SRAM replaceament for an embedded system a short time ago and I'd like to contribute my experience with flash memories to the ucsimm project. -Erwin On Montag, 12. Juli 1999 07:38, Jonas Bevren wrote: > > > On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Jean-Marie Bussat wrote: > > : > :Hello Jay, > : > :> project. Am I correct in presuming that the absence of MMU in the > :> Dragonball means that such things as tacking on an IDE/SCSI controller > :> chipset would be difficult, and/or impossible? > : > :For IDE, I'm not sure that an MMU is "required". I see no links > :between using IDE/SCSI and the needs for an MMU (except if you > :want to do some DMA I guess) but I'm not very good in this > :subject and I'm probably wrong. > > IDE is a far fetch for UCSimm. It's been decided by another (long, somewhat > flamed) thread earlier that this is beyond the scope of the device. :) > > The MMU isnt used for storage. It's not required for anything you would do > in Linux. It provides a 'virtual' memory space for every application, > protecting it from the others. In the M68K world, there's 'mmu', and > there's 'Pmmu'. The P in pmmu stands for paged. This paging provides the > virtual memory space, and thus virtual memory via harddisk storage. I'm not > sure of the dragonball's MMU capacity, but I know for certain, if there is > one, it's not 'paged'. > > -Jonas > -- mail4u Version 1.3.02 beta (http://www.mail4u.home.at), registered for Softwareentwicklung und Systemdesign This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 12:39:51 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03150 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:39:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000801becc82$8c6d9840$6b0ae8c0@europe.rational.com> From: "Laurent Marechal" To: , Subject: [uCsimm] Componant Schematics diagram and Rom size Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:37:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hi, I was wondering if there is a way to have the schematic diagram of the ucSimm. I mean what pin is connected where. ? Also on http://www.uclinux.org/simm/ the page said 2Mb Flash Rom but the product brief at http://www.uclinux.com/uC68EZ328/uC68EZ328.pdf said Flash Rom 1Mb/2Mb/4Mb. What is/will be the final status ? Laurent. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 12:42:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03161 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:42:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: gorlick@rush.aero.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000601becc69$cb358fb0$e2e492d1@www.geomedia-emin.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:26:22 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Michael Gorlick Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Shipping configuration Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org >Colin - > Any links to that Motorolla imbedded GPS info? I think that might >be one of the MANY uses I'll be putting this to, once I'm able to start >mucking about with it... > Those interested in GPS applications may find http://www.tapr.org/ of interest. They sell GPS-related kits at reasonable prices. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 13:54:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03452 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:54:23 -0400 Message-ID: <378A275A.3B58D372@servicemerchandise.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:35:23 -0500 From: Lou Sortman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Shipping configuration References: <000601becc69$cb358fb0$e2e492d1@www.geomedia-emin.com> <004501becc7b$c039a6c0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Is there any reason why that 128K cannot be reused once the bootloader is done with it? Michael Durrant wrote: > after the kernel is burned into FLASH we have the size of about one floppy > left. The > KERNEL uses about 256K of the RAM. Bootloader uses 128K of RAM. This gives > you about 7.5 MB of ram left to play. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 14:02:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03516 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:02:02 -0400 From: Greg Holdren Message-Id: <199907121742.KAA01609@wx.rose.hp.com> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Shipping configuration To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:42:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <004501becc7b$c039a6c0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> from Michael Durrant at Jul "12," 1999 "11:32:27" am X-Mailer: ELM [Revision: 213.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Colin Peart asks: > > > What is final the shipping configuration? How much of that will be left > > over after the kernel is put on? > > 2 MB FLASH ROM > 8 MB DRAM > > after the kernel is burned into FLASH we have the size of about one floppy > left. The > KERNEL uses about 256K of the RAM. Bootloader uses 128K of RAM. This gives > you about 7.5 MB of ram left to play. > Could the 2MB flash chip be upgraded to the 4MB version at a later date? Is it drop in and go, (with boot image) or is there jumpers? TNX Greg Holdren gregh@wx.rose.hp.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 14:26:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03568 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:25:58 -0400 From: "David Schwartz" To: Subject: RE: GPS card (was [uCsimm] Shipping configuration) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:06:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01becc91$520ab430$021d85d1@youwant.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org If anyone's interested, I sell a GPS Clock that's $350 in single-piece quantities. Accuracy is 1 us. It comes with pretty much everything except a DB9 connector and a wall transformer. http://www.gpsclock.com/specs.html DS > On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Colin Peart wrote: > > > BTW: I noticed that Motorola has pre-built GPS modules with a rs-232 > > output. I think my ucSimm board is going to be doing gps work... > > > Colin (or anybody) : Any idea about price (small quantities) ? > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server > http://www.uClinux.org/simm > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 14:53:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03637 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:53:31 -0400 Message-ID: <378A3572.A0760951@raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:35:30 -0400 From: Chris Hedemark X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Shipping configuration References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Mike Simon wrote: > Any links to that Motorolla imbedded GPS info? I think that might > be one of the MANY uses I'll be putting this to, once I'm able to start > mucking about with it... Motorola has a number of such devices. http://www.mot.com/ACCES/GPS/gpswho.html#product -- "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." --Edison Geek Code: GCM/GTW/GOd--(-d+)Hs+:++!gp?au---a-w+(w++)v---C+++UL++++P+L++3-N+EK-WM--V--po(-po+)Y+t+5jxR-G'''tv+b+++DB---e*u**h++fr+++n---y+++ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 15:52:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03792 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:51:23 -0400 Message-ID: <002801becc9e$13e5a9f0$e2e492d1@www.geomedia-emin.com> From: "Colin Peart" To: Subject: Re: GPS card (was [uCsimm] Shipping configuration) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:38:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-SLUIDL: 9BBAB4DD-360811D3-8D8F0060-083758D6 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Just got the info back: $108 us for an 8-channel board + $39us for the antenna. This board does not include the voltage reg circuit, and you would need to add on a ttl to rs232 line driver chip -- it outputs the data on ttl 0-+5v logic. There are full development kits in the 600-900$ range that include a aluminum box, power reg, rs232 output, antenna, some manuals, etc. Some of them include car cigarete lighter adapters, (which might be nice to splice off a power line for the ucsimm from...). The only distributer I can find is www.synergy-gps.com, and I got all their prices by emailing them a request. I would have copied them here, except they sent them as PDF's attached. The parts are all motorolla. www.motorola.com, products and services link, Oncore GPS link. Oh well. I was hoping that since finished product GPS units (w/ no computer output) are down to like $150 Can., I was hoping I could build myself one cheaper.. 230 USD for the processor/miniMB kit + cd for the ucsimm, and minimum 150 USD for the gps, + a line driver chip + a pain in the butt putting that on (I am a programmer with better than average hardware knowledge (better than average for a programmer, anyways :( ). And there is of course the power reg circuit for the GPS, etc. etc. etc. Never mind a panel to display the data on. I don't think it's going to happen. Does anyone have even a rough idea of what a qvga panel would cost? None of these companies will give you prices on their web sites. I suppose they are just not consumer goods. --Colin Peart -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Steele To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 2:12 PM Subject: GPS card (was [uCsimm] Shipping configuration) > > >On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Colin Peart wrote: > >> BTW: I noticed that Motorola has pre-built GPS modules with a rs-232 >> output. I think my ucSimm board is going to be doing gps work... > > >Colin (or anybody) : Any idea about price (small quantities) ? > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 15:56:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03827 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:56:12 -0400 Message-ID: <003d01becc9e$c1400550$e2e492d1@www.geomedia-emin.com> From: "Colin Peart" To: Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Shipping configuration tapr.org kits Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:43:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-SLUIDL: 9BBAB4DE-360811D3-8D8F0060-083758D6 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org All I saw there was the interface board for the GPS -- ie. all the stuff I just complained about making. So that means that you could build a gps solution for 108 -- the gps reciever 39 -- antenna 40 -- interface board ------ ~187 us. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Gorlick To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Shipping configuration >>Colin - >> Any links to that Motorolla imbedded GPS info? I think that might >>be one of the MANY uses I'll be putting this to, once I'm able to start >>mucking about with it... >> > >Those interested in GPS applications may find >http://www.tapr.org/ >of interest. They sell GPS-related kits at reasonable prices. >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 16:22:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03914 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:22:00 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990712125859.00cde7c0@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:00:47 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Mass storage ideas. In-Reply-To: <79ec9cee-4038-d311-bce4-00001b22ba2a@softsys.co.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org At 05:59 PM 7/12/99 +0200, you wrote: >I missed the original post, but it seems that it was a question about >possibilities for mass storage. I think that connecting one or more >Serial Flash memories with an SPI interface would be a nice mass storage >solution (Atmel Serial Dataflash). I have designed a flash memory board >as SRAM replaceament for an embedded system a short time ago and I'd like >to contribute my experience with flash memories to the ucsimm project. >-Erwin Hi Erwin, Mine was the original post asking for solutions to Mass Storage - so in fact, I'm happy to hear you're on board! I'm willing to work with you on implementing the Dataflash componenet for the uCSimm system - but I am a programmer, wannabe hardware-hacker. So if there are drivers needed to make the Dataflash work, I'm all about volunteering for the effort! Do you have further details on the Dataflash, and/or your circuit design? I can't wait to get my uCSimm boards in hands ... :) j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 17:07:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04003 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:07:03 -0400 Message-ID: <378A531D.83A48823@alphanet.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:42:05 -0400 From: Steve Newall Organization: AlphaNet Hospitality Systems Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Shipping configuration tapr.org kits References: <003d01becc9e$c1400550$e2e492d1@www.geomedia-emin.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Colin Peart wrote: > > All I saw there was the interface board for the GPS -- ie. all the stuff I > just complained about making. So that means that you could build a gps > solution for > 108 -- the gps reciever > 39 -- antenna > 40 -- interface board > ------ > ~187 us. > Try looking at the Sigem SGM5600KS GPS Design kit from SiGEM Inc. at http://www.sigem.ca The price of the complete design kit is US$379 which includes Windows based Map Site software, or US$299 without the software. The basic SGM5606 GPS 30pin SIMM is around US$135. As the digital circuit operates on 3.3V it should be simple to connect it's serial NMEA I/O to the uCSIMM. Perhaps one on the uCSIMM Host Board's sockets could be modified to accept this board? Regards, Steve Newall This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 18:43:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04254 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:42:26 -0400 From: "David Schwartz" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Shipping configuration tapr.org kits Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:23:25 -0700 Message-ID: <000001beccb5$28814560$021d85d1@youwant.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <003d01becc9e$c1400550$e2e492d1@www.geomedia-emin.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > All I saw there was the interface board for the GPS -- ie. all the stuff I > just complained about making. So that means that you could build a gps > solution for > 108 -- the gps reciever > 39 -- antenna > 40 -- interface board > ------ > ~187 us. The price is: $269.00 US for members of TAPR or $290.00 US for non-members and will include: Motorola ONCORE™ VP engine (2.00 x 3.25 x 0.64 in.) Documentation Where do you see the receiver available for $108? DS This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 12 23:27:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05235 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:25:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01beccdc$3d598160$0400000a@raytracer> From: "Colin Peart" To: Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Shipping configuration tapr.org kits Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:03:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-SLUIDL: 9BBAB53C-360811D3-8D8F0060-083758D6 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I got the 108 price from pdf's emailed to me from synergy-gps.com at my request. That is for just a straight board. The antenna was 39, and you would have to build a power reg, and a ttl-rs232 line driver. --Colin Peart -----Original Message----- From: David Schwartz To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 9:03 PM Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Shipping configuration tapr.org kits > All I saw there was the interface board for the GPS -- ie. all the stuff I > just complained about making. So that means that you could build a gps > solution for > 108 -- the gps reciever > 39 -- antenna > 40 -- interface board > ------ > ~187 us. The price is: $269.00 US for members of TAPR or $290.00 US for non-members and will include: Motorola ONCORE VP engine (2.00 x 3.25 x 0.64 in.) Documentation Where do you see the receiver available for $108? DS This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 13 00:13:51 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05358 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:13:42 -0400 From: "Hal D" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] I2C/SPI Issues Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:44:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000501becce2$91b9ca20$529bfea9@9100> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Rick Farmer wrote: > > > Fast mode I2C is 400kb/sec. Normal mode is 100kb/sec. > > Thanks for helping me out here :) > > > From the aux micro perspective it doesn't matter which you use, > > it supports both in hardware. From the SIMM side SPI is *much* > > faster, because it supports SPI in hardware at ~1Mb/sec vs having > > to bit bang I2C. > > Yes, but that is just because you have no "overhead" in programming > SPI?! I would say that using I²C with hardware would be smarter in > this case. > > > Then again if you have a lot of devices the pin > > shortage on the SIMM will be the limiting factor. > > Yes, that is the point. Even if you have the pins left over for > usage. My project would use the µCSIMM in a 19" rack and would drive > several I/O cards (about 20, maybe) with a (slow) bus, actually only > giving bit-commands for maybe 24 relay contacts per card. Each card > could have e.g. a 80C552 with I²C bus and would take a 3-byte+ command > to set 24 outputs. And a reply. Same vice-versa with input, needing > an Interrupt to say e.g: Hey, new input on card 15. > > There is no bus (Data, Address, CS, etc.) in my system, so using only > two wires is a great thing, this can be done with 2 copper rails. > Thinking about the cost factor here. If all you want to do is set/clear relay coils then all you need is a Philips PCF8574 chip. This chip will do all of the I2C to 8-bit latch functions you need for a couple of bucks ($US). There is also a 16-bit version as well. The only issue you might find is that they are pre-addressed (see specs. for details) thus you can only have 16 of these devices on a single I2C bus. If you use the 8 bit version then 8*16=128 Relays max or if you use the 16-bit version you would have 16*16=256 Relays. With the number of relays you want to drive I would suggest two I2C busses. Also, I would further suggest looking carefully at the Phillips site for I2C bus design ideas. You might want to design in the high-speed Or extened bus so you can link muliplte racks. I am designing some LED and Relay modules around the SIMM bus already. They are nearly ready to ship to the board house. In using a similar design I am able to get 8 SP power Relays on a Simm board within a ~2.5" height. Also, note that in my case I'm using a slightly modified Simmstick pinouts for the Relay and LED boards with +5 and +12. All of the D0-D15 pins are outputs from either the Relay for Led Boards. Hal... This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 13 17:54:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07384 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:46:24 -0400 Message-ID: <378BA30F.8BE5361E@myezmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:35:28 -0700 From: John Schmitt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD SGI (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] What would make a good PDA if no uCsimm? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org A few people asked this and the answer seems to be no. I just read the mailing list archives. I realize that the uCsimm does not make the ideal PDA. I'd like to have a PDA that runs linux and could do handwriting recognition. Right now, it seems to me that the most obvious choice is the one at this site: http://wearables.stanford.edu/ The computer they use for it is this one: http://www.jumptec.de/product/data/components/dimmpc486.html Any other suggestions? Thanks John This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 13 18:11:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07477 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:10:18 -0400 From: Greg Holdren Message-Id: <199907132151.OAA05216@wx.rose.hp.com> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Delay in confirmations. To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:51:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199907100825.KAA11362@serv-401.dfki.uni-kl.de> from Hans-Guenther Hein at Jul "10," 1999 "10:25:45" am X-Mailer: ELM [Revision: 213.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > > > We will be requesting initial payment on the site by Cheque or > > Money order only. Why ... you may ask .... the bank we deal with > > is dragging their feet on setting up our Mastercard and VISA > > accounts. Something about putting up a bond that we do not > > have. Hmm... darn banks. > > This will be a problem for orders coming from abroad, since money orders > in foreign currency are hardly possible. The alternative > would be sending a registered letter with cash !?? > No, Send an American Express Travelers check or Money Order. They are available in Europe. Greg This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 13 19:18:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07654 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:15:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:56:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199907132256.RAA05123@ns1.rconnect.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: jbevren@rconnect.com (Jonas Bevren) Subject: Re: [uCsimm] What would make a good PDA if no uCsimm? Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org What would make a good PDA? Try starting it with Intel's new StrongARM architecture. Lez draw 750MIPS from 450mw! :) Besides, the ARM has a MMU. no need for a special version of linux. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 13 20:12:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07805 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:10:06 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990713164857.015aa7f0@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:49:26 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: [uCsimm] What would make a good PDA if no uCsimm? In-Reply-To: <378BA30F.8BE5361E@myezmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org At 01:35 PM 7/13/99 -0700, you wrote: >A few people asked this and the answer seems to be no. >I just read the mailing list archives. I realize that the uCsimm does >not make the ideal PDA. I'd like to have a PDA that runs linux and >could do handwriting recognition. Right now, it seems to me that the >most obvious choice is the one at this site: >http://wearables.stanford.edu/ >The computer they use for it is this one: >http://www.jumptec.de/product/data/components/dimmpc486.html >Any other suggestions? >Thanks >John You could also add this to your dimmpc486 for LCD/Ethernet capabilities: http://www.emjembedded.com/cgi-bin/embedded/pdetail.cgi?1JLCD4E No picture of it unfortunately, but it sounds interesting. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 14 03:03:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08656 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 03:00:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01becdc4$262e3880$0800005a@bellsouth.net> From: "Will" To: References: <199907132256.RAA05123@ns1.rconnect.com> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] What would make a good PDA if no uCsimm? Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 02:43:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > What would make a good PDA? Try starting it with Intel's new StrongARM > architecture. Lez draw 750MIPS from 450mw! :) > > Besides, the ARM has a MMU. no need for a special version of linux. A little off topic, sorry... Speaking of ARM, how difficult would it be to get Linux running on the Cirrus7111? I noticed that http://www.arm.linux.org.uk mentioned several ARM acchitectures that were able to run linux, but not the 7111. How hard is it to port if there are already ARM processors running linux? -will This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 14 03:24:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08689 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 03:24:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:02:06 +0200 (MET DST) From: Erik Rossen X-Sender: rossen@desktop.rossen.ch To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] An easy(?) uCsimm terminal idea - use an old calculator Message-ID: Organisation: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I have an old HP48SX calculater that is sitting around and not doing much of anything. It has serial and IR interfaces and a screen that is 22x5 characters or so. It also has a keyboard of 49 buttons. Instead of buying separate LCDs and keypads, I'm probably just going to download one of the terminal programs for the HP48SX and use THAT as my uCsimm terminal. A tiny computer deserves a tiny terminal. For those who want handwriting recognition, I suggest that they use the cheapest PalmPilot that they can hook up. I admit that the system might look a little inelegant, but I like the idea of recycling old hardware. -- Erik Rossen ^ rossen@freesurf.ch /e\ http://www.multimania.com/rossen --- This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 14 03:25:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08698 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 03:25:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199907140725.DAA08695@ns1.rt-control.com> X-Sender: coggs@mail X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:01:53 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Bob Coggeshall Subject: RE: [uCsimm] PCB software In-Reply-To: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA3CF@SRV_COMM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns1.rt-control.com id DAA08696 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I found a copy of Protel on ebay for $80 a while back. >> De: Bart Kus [SMTP:eo@ERTW.ca] >> Date: dimanche 11 juillet 1999 11:45 >> À: ucsimm@uClinux.org >> Objet: [uCsimm] PCB software >> >> Hello, >> >> I'm wondering what PCB design/routing software you guys (anybody >> on this list that makes PCBs) use. Something Linux-ish would be best, >but >> DOS/Windows is acceptable too. I've had terrible luck finding anything >> nice. And some of my PCB designs need more advanced routing functions >> than those offered by EazyTrax/my brain. >> >> Thanks! >> >> --Bart >> This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 14 05:30:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08957 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 05:29:08 -0400 Message-ID: <7a666b72-d339-d311-bce4-00001b22ba2a@softsys.co.at> From: Erwin Authried Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:07:43 +0200 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Mass storage ideas. Organization: Softwareentwicklung und Systemdesign Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mail4u Version 1.3.02 beta (http://www.mail4u.home.at) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Atmel Dataflash is available in densities up to 32MBit (I'm waiting for the answer of my Atmel Distributor if it's really available). It is packed into a TSOP-28, SOIC-28 or PLCC, but there are only 9 pins in use. It is able to interface to an SPI master in SPI mode 0 and 3. The "circuit design": GND Vcc *CS SCK SI SO *RESET There are two additional pins that are not really needed for operation (Write Protect, RDY/BSY). When the Flash is not selected, SO is in high-impedance state, thus several devices can easily be used, using a seperate I/O line for each CS. The much more complicated part is the software. I don't know how SPI is handled by the processor and by the kernel. I think that the Linux PCMCIA implementation is a good starting point, but there's some hard work to do until we have a working filesystem with wear-leveling. The small page size of 528 bytes makes the DataFlash easier to handle than traditional flash devices with large erase sectors of typically 64KB or larger. The data sheets and an application note for Serial Dataflash are available at http://www.atmel.com/atmel/products/prod9.htm -Erwin On Montag, 12. Juli 1999 22:00, Jay Vaughan wrote: > At 05:59 PM 7/12/99 +0200, you wrote: > >I missed the original post, but it seems that it was a question about > >possibilities for mass storage. I think that connecting one or more > >Serial Flash memories with an SPI interface would be a nice mass storage > >solution (Atmel Serial Dataflash). I have designed a flash memory board > >as SRAM replaceament for an embedded system a short time ago and I'd like > >to contribute my experience with flash memories to the ucsimm project. > >-Erwin > > Hi Erwin, > > Mine was the original post asking for solutions to Mass Storage - so in > fact, I'm happy to hear you're on board! > > I'm willing to work with you on implementing the Dataflash componenet for > the uCSimm system - but I am a programmer, wannabe hardware-hacker. So if > there are drivers needed to make the Dataflash work, I'm all about > volunteering for the effort! > > Do you have further details on the Dataflash, and/or your circuit design? > > I can't wait to get my uCSimm boards in hands ... :) > -- mail4u Version 1.3.02 beta (http://www.mail4u.home.at), registered for Softwareentwicklung und Systemdesign This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 14 05:40:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08989 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 05:40:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 04:21:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Matthias Granberry To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] An easy(?) uCsimm terminal idea - use an old calculator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Look at the ansi15b package on www.hpcalc.org for doing this. It gets by fairly well using screen and special termcap/terminfo files, letting you run lynx/pine/vi/emacs with a fair degree of usability. It really only can handle about 4800 baud or so without xon/xoff on my GX, so an SX may not do well at all, but we can hope...or recode a vt52 terminal emulator in ml. On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, Erik Rossen wrote: > I have an old HP48SX calculater that is sitting around and not doing much > of anything. It has serial and IR interfaces and a screen that is 22x5 > characters or so. It also has a keyboard of 49 buttons. > > Instead of buying separate LCDs and keypads, I'm probably just going to > download one of the terminal programs for the HP48SX and use THAT as my > uCsimm terminal. A tiny computer deserves a tiny terminal. For those who > want handwriting recognition, I suggest that they use the cheapest > PalmPilot that they can hook up. > > I admit that the system might look a little inelegant, but I like the idea > of recycling old hardware. > > -- > Erik Rossen ^ > rossen@freesurf.ch /e\ > http://www.multimania.com/rossen --- > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 14 10:58:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09564 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:56:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:36:30 -0400 From: John Mitchell To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] What would make a good PDA if no uCsimm? In-Reply-To: <378BA30F.8BE5361E@myezmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, John Schmitt wrote: > A few people asked this and the answer seems to be no. > > I just read the mailing list archives. I realize that the uCsimm does > not make the ideal PDA. I'd like to have a PDA that runs linux and > could do handwriting recognition. hmm. what about just a Palm IIIx with a memory expansion? What's the point of running Linux on a PDA, anyhow? - j (I own a Palm V) This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 14 15:10:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10193 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:09:14 -0400 Message-ID: <378CDABA.6AAF2E51@myezmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:45:14 -0700 From: John Schmitt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD SGI (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: RE: [uCsimm] What would make a good PDA if no uCsimm? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Actually, I'm not as much interested in the PDA part as I am in a portable computer. The Apple Newton was kind of nice, but it didn't even run the MacOS, never mind Linux. I want to run Linux because I don't like the Palm's interface or lack of hand-writing recognition technology. As for the point of running Linux on a PDA, what's the point of running Linux on your desk, anyhow? John -----Original Message----- From: John Mitchell [mailto:johnm@magnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 7:37 AM To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] What would make a good PDA if no uCsimm? On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, John Schmitt wrote: > A few people asked this and the answer seems to be no. > > I just read the mailing list archives. I realize that the uCsimm does > not make the ideal PDA. I'd like to have a PDA that runs linux and > could do handwriting recognition. hmm. what about just a Palm IIIx with a memory expansion? What's the point of running Linux on a PDA, anyhow? - j (I own a Palm V) This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 14 15:58:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10292 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:58:36 -0400 From: "David Siebert" To: "ucsimm" Subject: [uCsimm] ucsimms Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:44:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Are they shipping yet? does anyone have one? Will they be available in large quanties say 100 to 500? Also how about a PPCsimm just for fun. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 14 19:27:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10744 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:23:27 -0400 Message-ID: <015a01bece4d$56bec8a0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucsimms Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:05:15 -0400 Organization: RyeHAM ARC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org David Siebert askes: > Are they shipping yet? does anyone have one? Will they be available in large > quanties say 100 to 500? The Board house has the gerbers, Plots and has started fabricating the boards. Parts are still at the ordering stage. We are still looking at 4-5 more weeks. As well Jeff and I are at the COMDEX show in Toronto this week so the order confirmation process has stopped until Saturday. The COMDEX show finishes Friday night. Speaking of COMDEX... The uClinux booth is number 6236D for those thinking of visiting us here in Toronto. We fabricated two 6" wide x 8" tall MONO VGA (480 x 640) displays out of plexiglass. Both units use the uCsimm to drive the display graphics at our booth. We also have a 4 input, 4 output PLC that uses a uCsimm as a controller on display as well. Our booth is part of the Linux pavillion at COMDEX. Caldera is two booths away. Oh and Friday we are speaking at 3PM at the Linux Theatre. Next week we plan to attend the Linux Symposium in Ottawa. Boy!, Jeff and I getting busy! > Also how about a PPCsimm just for fun. :-) -- Michael Durrant B.Eng. mdurrant@uclinux.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 14 22:08:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11150 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:06:19 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990714184505.018bfcb0@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:45:59 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucsimms In-Reply-To: <015a01bece4d$56bec8a0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org >Speaking of COMDEX... >The uClinux booth is number 6236D for those thinking of visiting us here in >Toronto. We fabricated two 6" wide x 8" tall MONO VGA (480 x 640) displays >out of plexiglass. Both units use the uCsimm to drive the display graphics >at >our booth. We also have a 4 input, 4 output PLC that uses a uCsimm as a >controller on display as well. Our booth is part of the Linux pavillion at >COMDEX. Can you take photo's for those of us that are unable to attend? I'd love to see these demo units myself, if that's possible? Have fun guys! j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 15 00:23:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11429 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:23:26 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01bece77$3e408b40$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: <4.1.19990714184505.018bfcb0@teklab.com> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucsimms Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:05:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Can you take photo's for those of us that are unable to attend? I'd love > to see these demo units myself, if that's possible? I will take my camera and Jeff's digital camera tomorrow and if all goes well we can put up the comdex photos by Saturday or Sunday. > Have fun guys! We are! -- Michael This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 16 16:09:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15876 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:59:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000701becfac$e84df420$0100a8c0@murphys> From: "Will Jenkins" To: References: Subject: Re: [uCsimm] An easy(?) uCsimm terminal idea - use an old calculator Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:11:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > I have an old HP48SX calculater that is sitting around and not doing much > of anything. It has serial and IR interfaces and a screen that is 22x5 > characters or so. It also has a keyboard of 49 buttons. > > Instead of buying separate LCDs and keypads, I'm probably just going to > download one of the terminal programs for the HP48SX and use THAT as my > uCsimm terminal. A tiny computer deserves a tiny terminal. For those who > want handwriting recognition, I suggest that they use the cheapest > PalmPilot that they can hook up. > > I admit that the system might look a little inelegant, but I like the idea > of recycling old hardware. I'll probably use a HP Omnigo100 for a terminal, or maybe an Apple Newton. Will This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 16 18:56:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16247 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:55:03 -0400 Message-ID: <4F6CE87F78B4D111A58800805FE66614015CD754@cpda5.esd.sgi.com> From: John Schmitt To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.org'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] An easy(?) uCsimm terminal idea - use an old calcula tor Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:34:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Apple Newton, Yeah! How? -----Original Message----- From: Will Jenkins [mailto:wdjenkins@iee.org] Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 9:11 AM To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] An easy(?) uCsimm terminal idea - use an old calculator > I have an old HP48SX calculater that is sitting around and not doing much > of anything. It has serial and IR interfaces and a screen that is 22x5 > characters or so. It also has a keyboard of 49 buttons. > > Instead of buying separate LCDs and keypads, I'm probably just going to > download one of the terminal programs for the HP48SX and use THAT as my > uCsimm terminal. A tiny computer deserves a tiny terminal. For those who > want handwriting recognition, I suggest that they use the cheapest > PalmPilot that they can hook up. > > I admit that the system might look a little inelegant, but I like the idea > of recycling old hardware. I'll probably use a HP Omnigo100 for a terminal, or maybe an Apple Newton. Will This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 16 19:24:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16297 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:22:42 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990716160020.0167c530@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:01:19 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: [uCsimm] An easy(?) uCsimm terminal idea - use an old calculator In-Reply-To: <000701becfac$e84df420$0100a8c0@murphys> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org >> I admit that the system might look a little inelegant, but I like the idea >> of recycling old hardware. >I'll probably use a HP Omnigo100 for a terminal, or maybe an Apple Newton. Speaking of which, I have an old Apple Newton MP120 sitting here... I'm trying to work out what use it is, what I can do with it ... any idea's? I'm a fan of hardware hacking... I heard a rumour a while back that someone had developed a PCMCIA Oscilloscope card that could be used in the Newton. This would be *ideal* for me... anyone know anything about it? This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 19 13:36:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03479 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:26:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bed208$88f0b400$0100a8c0@murphys> From: "Will Jenkins" To: References: <4.1.19990716160020.0167c530@teklab.com> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] An easy(?) uCsimm terminal idea - use an old calculator Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 18:41:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > >I'll probably use a HP Omnigo100 for a terminal, or maybe an Apple Newton. > > Speaking of which, I have an old Apple Newton MP120 sitting here... I'm > trying to work out what use it is, what I can do with it ... any idea's? > I'm a fan of hardware hacking... Well, my basic plan is just to bung on a terminal program and use the builtin rs232 port on it. But I suppose one could use the programmers toolkit and write a funky front end or something. Other than that it would be a case of utilising the PCMCIA port (of which I have no experience) or hacking it about a bit. Incidently I took mine to bits and the display seems to be a separate unit along with the resistive matrix touch screen which sits on top of it. > > I heard a rumour a while back that someone had developed a PCMCIA > Oscilloscope card that could be used in the Newton. This would be *ideal* > for me... anyone know anything about it? > Sounds like a cool use for it, haven't heard of it before though. Will This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 19 19:20:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00196 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:08:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:45:14 -0400 From: John Mitchell To: ucsimm@uClinux.org cc: pic microcontroller discussion list Subject: [uCsimm] Re: Embedded processor Internet interface (YAEPII?) In-Reply-To: <0bfa01bed22b$2f93e1c0$473661cb@mkbs> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org [NOTE: lacks PIC content, zap 'piclist' from follow-ups.] On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Russell McMahon wrote: > Found this on AVR List - was apparently from alt.comp.embedded > RM > You might want to check out the Hewlett-Packard Industrial Ethernet > web site: http://www.hpie.com/ Odd: it appears the CPU-and-ethernet development board is ~$645 US, each! They dont list prices for the actual board though. Contrast this to the quite-spiffy uCsimm board: $175, DragonBall, >4M RAM, Flash, ethernet... http://www.uclinux.org/ more info, from http://www.hpie.com/datasheets/bfoot66501/index.html "Node applications are powered by a 68000-class microprocessor. Nodes are pre programmed for rapid integration and conformance to standard interfaces with 384Kb FLASH ROM and >1Mb RAM allocated for user customization." uses VxWorks as the OS. - j This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 19 22:41:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00613 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:38:39 -0400 From: "Adam Eberbach" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] An easy(?) uCsimm terminal idea - use an old calculator Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:17:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bed256$07fb6950$3acb868b@adamthinkpad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <000201bed208$88f0b400$0100a8c0@murphys> Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > > >I'll probably use a HP Omnigo100 for a terminal, or maybe an Apple > Newton. > > > > Speaking of which, I have an old Apple Newton MP120 sitting here... I'm > > trying to work out what use it is, what I can do with it ... any idea's? > > I'm a fan of hardware hacking... > Well, my basic plan is just to bung on a terminal program and use the > builtin rs232 port on it. But I suppose one could use the programmers > toolkit and write a funky front end or something. Other than that it would > be a case of utilising the PCMCIA port (of which I have no experience) or I guess you're planning on using a Newton keyboard, and just having the Newton as a display device? I worked once on a contract porting Newton device drivers for PCMCIA cards. Basically you can't do it, unless you have the PCMCIA SDK from Apple. It requires some C++ code that hooks into the OS. As far as I know nobody but Apple and Apple subsidiaries ever got that SDK, and I don't have it now. The whole environment was very secret - we used Apple's MPW, originally with the cfront translator and later on with a real C++ compiler. The Newton development kit was an add-on to MPW and the various SDKs added on to that. We had some ICE-like MP130 platforms which worked with a very, very flakey debugger called Hammer. And of course that wonderful OS, MacOS 7.5.5 - at the time when getting to the latest OS required three separate installs. Days of endless system errors and reboots... After being suckered twice by Apple over OS plans, (and investing in Newton development only to have it killed) I've sworn not to look at a Mac again until I actually see MacOS X sitting on a retail shelf, with all the features they claimed would be there. > > I heard a rumour a while back that someone had developed a PCMCIA > > Oscilloscope card that could be used in the Newton. This would I heard of this at the time, but also heard it was about the equivalent of a 2MHz scope. Maybe cool, but not so useful. There are better and cheaper data acquisition cards around now of course, and if you could write the driver then displaying some data in NTK shouldn't be too hard. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 00:23:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00874 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:20:44 -0400 Message-ID: <3793F4D0.8A3662F4@utdallas.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:02:24 -0500 From: Bob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ucsimm@uClinux.org" Subject: [uCsimm] Ethernet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Does anyone know the current status of the driver for the onboard ethernet chip? Has work already begun on this? Bob This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 00:24:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00880 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:22:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199907200402.OAA27926@piglet.dstc.edu.au> To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] An easy(?) uCsimm terminal idea - use an old calculator X-Attribution: davida X-Files: wednesday, 8:30pm X-URL: X-Face: 2#;/avfeVL:b Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:02:42 +1000 From: David Arnold Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org -->"Adam" == Adam Eberbach writes: >> > >I'll probably use a HP Omnigo100 for a terminal, or maybe an >> Apple Newton. Speaking of which, I have an old Apple Newton >> MP120 sitting here... I'm trying to work out what use it is, what >> I can do with it ... any idea's? I'm a fan of hardware >> hacking... Well, my basic plan is just to bung on a terminal >> program and use the builtin rs232 port on it. But I suppose one >> could use the programmers toolkit and write a funky front end or >> something. Other than that it would be a case of utilising the >> PCMCIA port (of which I have no experience) or Adam> I guess you're planning on using a Newton keyboard, and just Adam> having the Newton as a display device? which would rule out using the serial port (it's only got one) to connect to the uCsimm ... probably have to use the on-screen hunt&peck keyboard. Adam> I worked once on a contract porting Newton device drivers for Adam> PCMCIA cards. Basically you can't do it, unless you have the Adam> PCMCIA SDK from Apple. It requires some C++ code that hooks Adam> into the OS. As far as I know nobody but Apple and Apple Adam> subsidiaries ever got that SDK, and I don't have it now. it got released, right at the end. there's a whole bunch of people who have it now. let me know if you want a copy. Adam> After being suckered twice by Apple over OS plans, (and Adam> investing in Newton development only to have it killed) I've Adam> sworn not to look at a Mac again until I actually see MacOS X Adam> sitting on a retail shelf, with all the features they claimed Adam> would be there. sucker ;-) i'll never buy a machine from them again. and i never plan to pay for software. i have a few old newton messagepads lying around. they don't get used since i bought my mp2k, so i was considering ripping the motherboard out and slotting the uCsimm in. keep the touch screen and LCD ... -- David Arnold ,================================================= =================' +617 33654310 (voice) CRC for Distributed Systems Technology +617 33654311 (fax) University of Queensland davida@pobox.com (email) Australia (web) want a free newton? see the GNUton project http://www.gnuton.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 00:51:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00951 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:49:32 -0400 Message-ID: <19990720042918.77558.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [129.37.162.160] From: "Darren King" To: Subject: [uCsimm] Why are prices in US dollars? Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:37:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org For a Canadia Toronto University project. Why are the prices in American Dollars. You want Canadians to convert their money to American Dollars and then add %15 tax. What a crock. Take the US dollars off the website and ask americans to send Canadian Money... Whats the reason for strange number. You want to float the American Dollar. Not going to help Canadians at all. It will cost Canadians extra to change on the rate just to have to pay tax on it anyhow. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 03:02:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01209 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 02:59:12 -0400 Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA3D5@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.org'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Why are prices in US dollars? Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:39:23 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns1.rt-control.com id CAA01207 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org There are not only canadians on the list. We french folks will accomodate of US$. our currency is moving from francs to euro. JLB > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Darren King [SMTP:kingtama@hotmail.com] > Date: mardi 20 juillet 1999 06:38 > À: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Objet: [uCsimm] Why are prices in US dollars? > > For a Canadia Toronto University project. Why are the prices in American > Dollars. You want Canadians to convert their money to American Dollars and > then add %15 tax. What a crock. Take the US dollars off the website and > ask americans to send Canadian Money... Whats the reason for strange > number. You want to float the American Dollar. Not going to help Canadians > at all. It will cost Canadians extra to change on the rate just to have to > pay tax on it anyhow. > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 08:26:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01807 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:22:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:50:41 PDT From: jcwilson Subject: [uCsimm] Internet video camara. To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I wonder if this uClinux device can run one of those parallel port video cameras (speed / # IO pins)? If it can we could build an inexpensive and low power network video surveillance system. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 08:35:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01843 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:33:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:02:07 PDT From: jcwilson Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Why are prices in US dollars? To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:37:34 -0400 Darren King wrote: > From: Darren King > Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:37:34 -0400 > Subject: [uCsimm] Why are prices in US dollars? > To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > > For a Canadia Toronto University project. Why are the prices in American > Dollars. You want Canadians to convert their money to American Dollars and > then add %15 tax. What a crock. Take the US dollars off the website and > ask americans to send Canadian Money... Whats the reason for strange > number. You want to float the American Dollar. Not going to help Canadians > at all. It will cost Canadians extra to change on the rate just to have to > pay tax on it anyhow. > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm I think the company is using the US dollar on the Internet because it is the currency most commonly used for doing international commerce. What I to know is why were prices in US dollars during a Canadian Comdex show in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Anyway, I think it's a fantastic product and realize that it's tough to break into US dominated industry like the "microcomputer/ embedded applications ". Like they say "When in Rome". This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 11:21:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02155 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:19:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:59:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Simon X-Sender: simon@bigmac To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] Order confirmations? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org For those of us that faxed in an order form, should we be getting any sort of order confirmation? I faxed in the form and credit card info a few days ago, but haven't hear anything back... Mike Simon This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 11:32:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02187 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:31:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bed2c2$eef3dc40$e2e492d1@www.geomedia-emin.com> From: "Colin Peart" To: Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Why are prices in US dollars? Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:17:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-SLUIDL: 06F3E813-3DDB11D3-8D910060-083758D6 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I visited the booth at Comdex Toronto, and they said that they would be happy to quote a price in canadian dollars to anyone that asked. Ps. Seeing it running, those things are nifty-cool. They had it advertising itself with a display panel, and meanwhile one of them telneted into for me to see. Very impressive. They had it serving web pages, accessing them from an nfs mounted drive over the ether. It is always reasurring to see the device in action. --Colin Peart -----Original Message----- From: jcwilson To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Why are prices in US dollars? > > > >On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:37:34 -0400 Darren King wrote: > >> From: Darren King >> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:37:34 -0400 >> Subject: [uCsimm] Why are prices in US dollars? >> To: ucsimm@uClinux.org >> >> For a Canadia Toronto University project. Why are the prices in American >> Dollars. You want Canadians to convert their money to American Dollars and >> then add %15 tax. What a crock. Take the US dollars off the website and >> ask americans to send Canadian Money... Whats the reason for strange >> number. You want to float the American Dollar. Not going to help Canadians >> at all. It will cost Canadians extra to change on the rate just to have to >> pay tax on it anyhow. >> This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server >http://www.uClinux.org/simm > > > I think the company is using the US dollar on the Internet because it is >the currency most commonly used for doing international commerce. What I to >know is why were prices in US dollars during a Canadian Comdex show in Toronto, >Ontario, Canada. Anyway, I think it's a fantastic product and realize that it's tough >to break into US dominated industry like the "microcomputer/ embedded >applications ". Like they say "When in Rome". > > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 12:02:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02264 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:01:32 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990720083648.01aad360@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:37:22 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: [uCsimm] An easy(?) uCsimm terminal idea - use an old calculator In-Reply-To: <199907200402.OAA27926@piglet.dstc.edu.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Adam> I worked once on a contract porting Newton device drivers for > Adam> PCMCIA cards. Basically you can't do it, unless you have the > Adam> PCMCIA SDK from Apple. It requires some C++ code that hooks > Adam> into the OS. As far as I know nobody but Apple and Apple > Adam> subsidiaries ever got that SDK, and I don't have it now. >it got released, right at the end. there's a whole bunch of people >who have it now. let me know if you want a copy. I would like a copy, if it's at all possible. >i have a few old newton messagepads lying around. they don't get used >since i bought my mp2k, so i was considering ripping the motherboard >out and slotting the uCsimm in. keep the touch screen and LCD ... Good plan! j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 12:48:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02380 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:45:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:25:41 +0200 (CET) From: Guillaume Postaire To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] about Uclinux In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990720083648.01aad360@teklab.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hi, first of all : is it the right mailing list for a question about that ? second : Does it work on 68000 from Motorolla ? I would like to port it on a computer that have a 68000 at 10 Mhz so if a large aprt is already made :) How much size has the linux kernel for 68000 ? thanks P.S.: if anyone can continue speaking out the mailing, or if you have good URL : please help me:) -------- Hiroshima 45 - Tchernobyl 86 - Windows 95 POSTAIRE Guillaume eleve 1 A ENSPS http://inforezo.u-strasbg.fr/~postaire E-mail : postaire@inforezo.u-strasbg.fr VP sponsors du BDE de l'ENSPS This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 14:55:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02654 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:53:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:33:09 -0400 From: John Mitchell To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] uclinux easy question In-Reply-To: <000801bed2c2$eef3dc40$e2e492d1@www.geomedia-emin.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org how fast does the thing boot, from power-on to login: prompt? - j (My P2/350 128M Win95 box clocks in at ~3 mins, including a couple clicks; grrrrr. The PalmV boots in, oh, an eyeblink, but porn looks terrible on it :) ) This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 15:26:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02809 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:26:19 -0400 From: Donald Jeff Dionne Message-Id: <199907201853.SAA28143@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Ethernet To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:53:40 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <3793F4D0.8A3662F4@utdallas.edu> from "Bob" at Jul 19, 99 11:02:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > > Does anyone know the current status of the driver for the onboard > ethernet chip? Has work already begun on this? Works just fine. Has for about a month, Rus' code was very easy to port (thanks Rus!) it only took us a day to shake that out. It could still use some optimization, tho... > > Bob > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > -- Cheers, Jeff / VE3DJF Jeff@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca http://www.cgocable.net/~jdionne Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. ... This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 15:43:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02850 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:43:07 -0400 From: Russell Nelson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:23:52 -0400 (EDT) To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Ethernet In-Reply-To: <199907201853.SAA28143@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> References: <3793F4D0.8A3662F4@utdallas.edu> <199907201853.SAA28143@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14228.52397.242625.909540@desk.crynwr.com> X-Face: $K'YURj"g6ImvqTS_=]8)gqh!5;ElY<[.Rao%j8r+]iUfE{%|v%F<=mcq<6l{K=~mf&#:?" nslS]U~|x{2V=Eex_I#"9K~9)>?m7Lm={(j_&)SX~fzg&ST~P%QUhc{1p]c3@Zn1u*PZlkHM**X^vV l>GkB5y^Kz%w5p~^uDue]hL&ke,N;+Q > > > Does anyone know the current status of the driver for the onboard > > ethernet chip? Has work already begun on this? > > Works just fine. Has for about a month, Rus' code was very easy to port > (thanks Rus!) it only took us a day to shake that out. > > It could still use some optimization, tho... Speed or size? I have a 1.4 driver that might be faster, but it's also bigger. -- -russ nelson http://crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr supports Open Source(tm) Software| PGPok | Government schools are so 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 16:08:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02932 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:08:03 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990720121557.013e85d0@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:46:28 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: [uCsimm] Project components - status? In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990720083648.01aad360@teklab.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hi all, On the walk in to work today (yes, I walk to work - its excellent!), I was thinking about the major software/hardware components I'm going to need for my uCSimm-based "Geek Clock" project. I thought I'd post this list of components with an effort to get more details on current status, what's needed to be worked on first, etc. Sort of a loose "Project Planning" for the "Geek Clock". 1. Hardware ------------ - uCSimm prototype/development system. This is on its way to me - I have received my order confirmation for two systems, and will be paying for this per the instructions shortly. ETA: 3 to 4 weeks from now. Right? - LCD Screen and driver circuitry (as needed) Haven't decided on anything solid in this department yet, though I will probably get the same components being used by the uCSimm guys for initial development purposes. - Front panel controls. I'm going to build a minimal control interface for the GeekClock that will include a 4-directional 'thumb pad' (Gameboy style) and a couple of buttons, so that menu options can be selected on the GeekClock relatively simply. 2. Software ------------ - uCLinux This is ready to go as far as I can tell. I just need to set up my development environment for cross-compiling, and will do this once I get my uCSimm dev boards. - LCD Driver for uCLinux I'm assuming this is already pretty much ready to go, though I'm not sure it's ready for primetime, and/or what features it supports just yet. I'd want to support some sort of minimal GUI - scrolling, bitmaps, etc. - Onboard uCSimm Dev kit. I don't know how feasible it is, but I'd like to get some sort of onboard dev environment for the uCSimm ported. Either some sort of scripting language (Perl/TCL/etc) or ultimately a minimal C compiler. - Graphics library Depending on the state of the LCD Driver, I'd like to build a rudimentary graphics control library for it to allow minimal windowing. There is a 'mini-X' project floating around for just this purpose, but I've misplaced the URL's for it. (God I hate my bookmarks folder, what a mess). - GeekClock FrontPanel control driver This'll probably be really simple, using serial i/o and I'll end up making a lib for it to be used in my project. I'm assuming most of the other standard stuff (networking libs, etc) are already pretty much part of the uCLinux project, and that I'll be able to use most of those tools as needed. Once I get all of these components together, I feel I'll have what it needs to build my GeekClock project, and will start programming. I'm a programmer with hardware hacker inclinations, so there will probably be some things I'll goof up, but I'm sure I'll be able to get things working enough to get a GeekClock built shortly after I get my uCSimm prototype boards ... j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 16:14:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02941 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:14:05 -0400 From: "David Siebert" To: "ucsimm" Subject: [uCsimm] I2C Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:00:14 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org anyone tried using the Linux I2C device driver on the ucsimm? This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 17:14:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03065 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:13:42 -0400 From: Donald Jeff Dionne Message-Id: <199907202041.UAA28380@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Ethernet To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:40:58 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <14228.52397.242625.909540@desk.crynwr.com> from "Russell Nelson" at Jul 20, 99 03:23:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > > > Works just fine. Has for about a month, Rus' code was very easy to port > > (thanks Rus!) it only took us a day to shake that out. > > > > It could still use some optimization, tho... > > Speed or size? I have a 1.4 driver that might be faster, but it's > also bigger. Speed. Right now it uses a for() {} loop to load and unload the packets from the chip. I need to write some assembler, gcc did quite poorly :-( Since we're not DMA (or memory mapped, but that's not an issue since there would be no speed advantage at all), I went with your 1.02 11/26/96 version. Any point in me looking at something newer ? > > -- > -russ nelson http://crynwr.com/~nelson > Crynwr supports Open Source(tm) Software| PGPok | Government schools are so > 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur > Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > -- Cheers, Jeff / VE3DJF Jeff@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca http://www.cgocable.net/~jdionne Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. ... This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 17:14:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03074 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:14:48 -0400 From: Donald Jeff Dionne Message-Id: <199907202042.UAA28387@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] uclinux easy question To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:42:03 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "John Mitchell" at Jul 20, 99 02:33:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > > > how fast does the thing boot, from power-on to login: prompt? > 4 seconds. > > - j > > (My P2/350 128M Win95 box clocks in at ~3 mins, including a couple clicks; > grrrrr. The PalmV boots in, oh, an eyeblink, but porn looks terrible on > it :) ) > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > -- Cheers, Jeff / VE3DJF Jeff@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca http://www.cgocable.net/~jdionne Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. ... This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 17:37:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03128 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:37:02 -0400 From: Donald Jeff Dionne Message-Id: <199907202104.VAA28452@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Project components - status? To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:04:24 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990720121557.013e85d0@teklab.com> from "Jay Vaughan" at Jul 20, 99 12:46:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > > Hi all, > > On the walk in to work today (yes, I walk to work - its excellent!), I was Hey, good for you :-) I've gotta fight that spare tire forming myself.... > thinking about the major software/hardware components I'm going to need for > my uCSimm-based "Geek Clock" project. > > I thought I'd post this list of components with an effort to get more > details on current status, what's needed to be worked on first, etc. Sort > of a loose "Project Planning" for the "Geek Clock". > Cool. > 1. Hardware > ------------ > > - uCSimm prototype/development system. > This is on its way to me - I have received my order confirmation for > two systems, and will be paying for this per the instructions shortly. > ETA: 3 to 4 weeks from now. Right? Looks like we are on track for that. > > - LCD Screen and driver circuitry (as needed) > Haven't decided on anything solid in this department yet, though I > will probably get the same components being used by the uCSimm > guys for initial development purposes. http://www.flat-panel.com Get the EG9013 from the "bargin basement" section. You also need CCFT and LCD drive supplies (I'll look up the numbers from digikey) and 74HC series chips (or a PAL, Rick posted equations a while ago...) These are very nice looking panels, IMHO! > > - Front panel controls. > I'm going to build a minimal control interface for the GeekClock that > will include a 4-directional 'thumb pad' (Gameboy style) and a couple > of buttons, so that menu options can be selected on the GeekClock > relatively simply. > > 2. Software > ------------ > > - uCLinux > This is ready to go as far as I can tell. I just need to set up > my development environment for cross-compiling, and will do this > once I get my uCSimm dev boards. uClinux is rock solid :-) The development environment is ver nice, just NFS mount your build host. We're still taking the rough edges off it but it will be slick before the boards go out. > > - LCD Driver for uCLinux > I'm assuming this is already pretty much ready to go, though I'm > not sure it's ready for primetime, and/or what features it supports > just yet. I'd want to support some sort of minimal GUI - scrolling, > bitmaps, etc. There is a /dev/fb driver. It works. It does very little that's useful without a graphics library. > > - Onboard uCSimm Dev kit. > I don't know how feasible it is, but I'd like to get some sort of > onboard dev environment for the uCSimm ported. Either some sort of > scripting language (Perl/TCL/etc) or ultimately a minimal C compiler. Was not designed for self hosting of course. However, a scripting language would be a real bonus! > > - Graphics library > Depending on the state of the LCD Driver, I'd like to build a rudimentary > graphics control library for it to allow minimal windowing. There is > a 'mini-X' project floating around for just this purpose, but I've misplaced > the URL's for it. (God I hate my bookmarks folder, what a mess). I looked at it a while ago. That project turned into... what do they call it ...nano X I think or something like that. The name is quite misleading, it's nothing like X at all IMHO. In any event, it has drawing routines that might be of use (but then again, those are easy to write). What we really need is a forms based GUI. I started work on such a thing, but no one jumped in to help. > > - GeekClock FrontPanel control driver > This'll probably be really simple, using serial i/o and I'll end up > making a lib for it to be used in my project. > > I'm assuming most of the other standard stuff (networking libs, etc) are > already pretty much part of the uCLinux project, and that I'll be able to > use most of those tools as needed. Our library is fairly complete. It's a collection of stuff from various places. This was necessary for size reasons. You'll likely find it has what you need in spite of it being compact. > > Once I get all of these components together, I feel I'll have what it needs > to build my GeekClock project, and will start programming. I'm a > programmer with hardware hacker inclinations, so there will probably be > some things I'll goof up, but I'm sure I'll be able to get things working > enough to get a GeekClock built shortly after I get my uCSimm prototype > boards ... > > > > j. > > -- > Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com > TekLab | http://www.teklab.com > { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } > Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ > > ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > -- Cheers, Jeff / VE3DJF Jeff@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca http://www.cgocable.net/~jdionne Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. ... This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 17:39:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03142 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:39:06 -0400 From: Russell Nelson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:19:51 -0400 (EDT) To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Ethernet In-Reply-To: <199907202041.UAA28380@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> References: <14228.52397.242625.909540@desk.crynwr.com> <199907202041.UAA28380@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14228.59015.381501.427807@desk.crynwr.com> X-Face: $K'YURj"g6ImvqTS_=]8)gqh!5;ElY<[.Rao%j8r+]iUfE{%|v%F<=mcq<6l{K=~mf&#:?" nslS]U~|x{2V=Eex_I#"9K~9)>?m7Lm={(j_&)SX~fzg&ST~P%QUhc{1p]c3@Zn1u*PZlkHM**X^vV l>GkB5y^Kz%w5p~^uDue]hL&ke,N;+Q Speed. Right now it uses a for() {} loop to load and unload the packets > from the chip. I need to write some assembler, gcc did quite poorly :-( Hmmm... I guess that means that the following are implemented with a loop. Curious that that would be implemented poorly, because insw and outsw are going to appear in many places in the device driver tree. outsw(ioaddr + TX_FRAME_PORT,skb->data,(skb->len+1) >>1); insw(ioaddr + RX_FRAME_PORT, skb->data, length >> 1); > Since we're not DMA (or memory mapped, but that's not an issue since there > would be no speed advantage at all), I went with your 1.02 11/26/96 version. > Any point in me looking at something newer ? No, I don't think so. Why aren't you memory-mapped? Isn't that the paradigm for 68K devices? How does the I/O mapping work? Isn't it implemented as a memory fetch that twiddles the IORD and IOWR lines? -- -russ nelson http://crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr supports Open Source(tm) Software| PGPok | Government schools are so 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 17:50:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03175 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:50:48 -0400 From: Donald Jeff Dionne Message-Id: <199907202118.VAA28506@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Ethernet To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:18:08 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <14228.59015.381501.427807@desk.crynwr.com> from "Russell Nelson" at Jul 20, 99 05:19:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > > Donald Jeff Dionne writes: > > Speed. Right now it uses a for() {} loop to load and unload the packets > > from the chip. I need to write some assembler, gcc did quite poorly :-( > > Hmmm... I guess that means that the following are implemented with a > loop. Curious that that would be implemented poorly, because insw and > outsw are going to appear in many places in the device driver tree. > > outsw(ioaddr + TX_FRAME_PORT,skb->data,(skb->len+1) >>1); > insw(ioaddr + RX_FRAME_PORT, skb->data, length >> 1); Right, but there is no outsw/insw in uClinux so I had to write them. Right now they just do the obvious C thing. > > > Since we're not DMA (or memory mapped, but that's not an issue since there > > would be no speed advantage at all), I went with your 1.02 11/26/96 version. > > Any point in me looking at something newer ? > > No, I don't think so. Why aren't you memory-mapped? Isn't that the > paradigm for 68K devices? How does the I/O mapping work? It's I/O mapped as far as the cs8900 is concerned, the CPU sees it in the memory space of course. What I ment was that we didn't implement the cs8900's memory mapped mode. Since the I/O mode is memory mapped (from the CPU's POV) there is no need or advantage. Greatly simplifies things. > Isn't it implemented as a memory fetch that twiddles the IORD and IOWR lines? Yes, of course that's I/O mapped from the cs8900's point of view :-) > > -- > -russ nelson http://crynwr.com/~nelson > Crynwr supports Open Source(tm) Software| PGPok | Government schools are so > 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur > Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > -- Cheers, Jeff / VE3DJF Jeff@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca http://www.cgocable.net/~jdionne Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. ... This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 18:40:54 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03365 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:40:15 -0400 Message-ID: <3794F5A8.97EE689@execpc.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:18:16 -0500 From: Rick Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Internet video camara. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org jcwilson wrote: > I wonder if this uClinux device can run one of those parallel > port video cameras (speed / # IO pins)? If it can we could build an inexpensive and > low power network video surveillance system. The trick is to check out the chipset used in the camera. Some of them have good documentation and source code available. Some don't. Otherwise, the physical connection to implement a parallel port is pretty straightforward. Exar makes cheap parallel port chips that might simplify the code port. -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 18:42:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03378 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:42:33 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990720152017.015c1d40@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:21:09 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Project components - status? In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990720121557.013e85d0@teklab.com> References: <4.1.19990720083648.01aad360@teklab.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > - Graphics library > Depending on the state of the LCD Driver, I'd like to build a rudimentary > graphics control library for it to allow minimal windowing. There is > a 'mini-X' project floating around for just this purpose, but I've misplaced > the URL's for it. (God I hate my bookmarks folder, what a mess). Okay, I found the link: http://www.linuxhacker.org/nanogui/ So this step will be "Port/Assist in porting, NanoGUI to the uCSimm platform". Anyone else working on NanoGUI stuff already? j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 19:38:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03507 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:36:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990720160601.019381a0@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:14:57 -0700 To: "greg@censoft.com" From: Jay Vaughan Subject: [uCsimm] RE: NanoGUI for uC Simm? Cc: ucsimm@uClinux.org, nanogui@linuxhacker.org In-Reply-To: <01BED2D1.3779F590.greg@censoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Greg, > Forgive me for my ignorance, but what is the uCSimm platform? >Nano-X and MicroWindows are quite portable, and can probably be ported >to any system with a working C compiler. No runtime OS is required for >operation, >as we've hardware drivers for keyboards, mice and screens. These three >drivers will have to be written for any new platform. Sorry, should have included this URL in my message. Details about the uCSimm can be found here: http://www.uclinux.org/simm/ It's an SBC designed to run Linux, based on the Motorola Dragonball processor. I may be mistaken, but its my understanding that the NanoGUI is designed to run on this type of hardware, no? > My estimate for the time required to port a new screen driver to be around >one day, given full understanding of the hardware. The last driver written >was a hercules >graphics driver for the PC and was ported from working C code in less than >two hours. Got it. Is there some sort of design doc that states the goals for NanoGUI, how it is laid out, etc? I'm assuming that access to some sort of framebuffer is required. Given that the uCSimm is designed to function with relatively simple LCD displays I'm not sure how well this will work out, but I willing to bridge any development gaps as needed. Any other references I should be familiar with that are publicly available? I know that I can dl the code, and will do so... > Are you a programmer with access to the uCSimm platform? >Greg I'm a programmer, but I don't hvae access to the uCSimm platform yet - they're still getting the developer boards mfr'ed, and I have 2 on their way to me when they ship. In the meantime, I'm trying to get myself prepared for what its going to take to build my project. FWIW, my project is tentatively called the "Geek Clock", the design for which I posted to a recent Slashdot forum regarding the announcement of the uCSimm prototypes being ready. I'll have a more formalized site for it up and running in the next few weeks, but basically what I'm doing is building a general purpose uCSimm+Linux based portable data display device that can be programmed to display information obtained from the network interface (any info from any network source), with marginal user interface control in the form of "Gameboy" style D-pad and 2 buttons. The design for this project will be GPL-style - once completed, anyone can take the various open parts (the uCSimm, Linux kernal, etc), stick it all together and end up with their own "Geek Clock". Its a starter project for what I hope will turn into a relatively functional fully programmable PDA, with marginal input abilities. Since its fully re-programmable, I foresee all sorts of uses for this network-capable tool. So anyway I'll dl the NanoGUI code today and get more familiar with it. Thanks, j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 19:46:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03542 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:45:34 -0400 Message-Id: <5F23E32C8967D111A5D10000F81F6DE101534BF4@exchvic2.dsto.defence.gov.au> From: "Lewis, Cameron" To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.org'" Subject: [uCsimm] USB Interface? Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:25:01 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Would anyone knowledgeable in the area care to comment on the possibility of implementing a USB interface with the uCsimm? We have some small (~70 x 40mm) USB I/O cards with ADC, DAC and DIO. A number of these are to be connected to a PC which will feed data to/from another system over ethernet. Replacing the PC with a uCsimm could reduce space, cost, complexity, etc. I2C/SPI look like they may be too slow for USB. Cameron Lewis -- Cameron Lewis 506 Lorimer St, Fishermens Bend Air Operations Division Victoria, Australia, 3207 Aeronautical & Maritime Research Laboratory tel: +61 3 9626 7729 Defence Science and Technology Organisation fax: +61 3 9626 7093 Department of Defence email: Cameron.Lewis@dsto.defence.gov.au This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 19:56:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03552 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:56:25 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990720162857.0192a9f0@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:35:02 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Project components - status? In-Reply-To: <199907202104.VAA28452@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> References: <4.1.19990720121557.013e85d0@teklab.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org >> On the walk in to work today (yes, I walk to work - its excellent!), I was >Hey, good for you :-) I've gotta fight that spare tire forming myself.... Yeah. I dunno if daily walking is good enough to get rid of this little michelin monster that's attached itself to me yet, but we'll find out... :) >> - uCSimm prototype/development system. >> This is on its way to me - I have received my order confirmation for >> two systems, and will be paying for this per the instructions shortly. >> ETA: 3 to 4 weeks from now. Right? >Looks like we are on track for that. Very cool. I look forward to receiving my kits, that's for sure! >http://www.flat-panel.com Get the EG9013 from the "bargin basement" section. >You also need CCFT and LCD drive supplies (I'll look up the numbers from >digikey) and 74HC series chips (or a PAL, Rick posted equations a while >ago...) These are very nice looking panels, IMHO! Excellent, thank you very much - have bookmarked it in my "Geek Clock" folder. This can wait until you've got time, but do you have a schematic for the glue logic that the LCD drive stuff is used on? I'm assuming its relatively simple. >> - uCLinux >> This is ready to go as far as I can tell. I just need to set up >> my development environment for cross-compiling, and will do this >> once I get my uCSimm dev boards. >uClinux is rock solid :-) The development environment is ver nice, just >NFS mount your build host. We're still taking the rough edges off it but >it will be slick before the boards go out. Very cool to hear! >> - LCD Driver for uCLinux >> I'm assuming this is already pretty much ready to go, though I'm >> not sure it's ready for primetime, and/or what features it supports >> just yet. I'd want to support some sort of minimal GUI - scrolling, >> bitmaps, etc. >There is a /dev/fb driver. It works. It does very little that's useful >without a graphics library. I'm assuming this is for the EG9013, right? I guess there is enough similarity among LCD boards for this market that glue logic/driver mods are relatively simple... I'd actually love to be able to use a couple of LCD screens... a multi-headed PDA! :) >> - Onboard uCSimm Dev kit. >> I don't know how feasible it is, but I'd like to get some sort of >> onboard dev environment for the uCSimm ported. Either some sort of >> scripting language (Perl/TCL/etc) or ultimately a minimal C compiler. >Was not designed for self hosting of course. However, a scripting language >would be a real bonus! Yeah, I'm thinking something along the lines of Perl or Python or something... >> - Graphics library >> Depending on the state of the LCD Driver, I'd like to build a rudimentary >> graphics control library for it to allow minimal windowing. There is >> a 'mini-X' project floating around for just this purpose, but I've misplaced >> the URL's for it. (God I hate my bookmarks folder, what a mess). >I looked at it a while ago. That project turned into... what do they call it >...nano X I think or something like that. The name is quite misleading, it's >nothing like X at all IMHO. In any event, it has drawing routines that might >be of use (but then again, those are easy to write). What we really need is >a forms based GUI. I started work on such a thing, but no one jumped in to >help. Yes, its nano-X - I've since raised the uCSimm issue on the Nano-X mailing list, looks like we might get some interested parties from that camp soon. As for the form-based gui work, this would be my logical first-step once I've gotten everything together. Where do I start, boss?! >> I'm assuming most of the other standard stuff (networking libs, etc) are >> already pretty much part of the uCLinux project, and that I'll be able to >> use most of those tools as needed. >Our library is fairly complete. It's a collection of stuff from various >places. This was necessary for size reasons. You'll likely find it has >what you need in spite of it being compact. Very cool. I assume there's no docs available... as you state on the web page, documentation is needed. Point me in the right direction and I'll get something started - that is, if someone else hasn't already done so. As you can tell, I'm eager. I've got the basic components all in place, it'll just be a matter of tying everything together once I get my hands on the hardware... j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 20:06:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03615 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:06:43 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990720164224.01ad7800@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:43:19 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Project components - status? In-Reply-To: <199907202104.VAA28452@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> References: <4.1.19990720121557.013e85d0@teklab.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org >http://www.flat-panel.com Get the EG9013 from the "bargin basement" section. >You also need CCFT and LCD drive supplies (I'll look up the numbers from >digikey) and 74HC series chips (or a PAL, Rick posted equations a while >ago...) These are very nice looking panels, IMHO! Just ordered 2 of 'em... apparently they have 48,000 of them in stock, so you other uCSimm hacker guys better get yours fast!! :) They also have this thing for sale - 35,000 of 'em. Interesting looking device: http://www.junkware.com/prod01.htm j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 20:26:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03648 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:26:19 -0400 Message-ID: <01BED2DB.C6815CB0.greg@censoft.com> From: Greg Haerr To: "'Jay Vaughan'" Cc: "ucsimm@uClinux.org" , "nanogui@linuxhacker.org" Subject: [uCsimm] RE: NanoGUI for uC Simm? Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:14:57 -0600 Organization: Century Software, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org : Got it. Is there some sort of design doc that states the goals for : NanoGUI, how it is laid out, etc? Not yet. Inspection of mwin/src/drivers/scr_bogl.c, the linux framebuffer driver, is quite straightforward. The scr_herc.c driver is a very basic complete driver for the PC hercules card. I'm assuming that access to some sort of : framebuffer is required. No. The nano-X and Microwindows graphics model doesn't assume anything about the graphics hardware other than it has read and write pixel capabilities. The framebuffer architecture just hides the hardware graphics setup and mmap()'s the video ram into user space. We don't require it. There are currently drivers written for Linux 2.2.x framebuffer, Linux 2.x SVGALib, ELKS 0.78, and MSDOS, and bare PC hardware. Given that the uCSimm is designed to function : with relatively simple LCD displays I'm not sure how well this will work : out, but I willing to bridge any development gaps as needed. Worry first about how to read and write a pixel, and you're 90% of the way there. Greg This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 20:30:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03678 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:30:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:25:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Jonas Bevren To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] uclinux easy question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Forgive the offtopicness, but.. My friend's P120 laptop boots BeOS in a little under 15 seconds, and is ready to view your porn in shining 16-bit color (only 2 megs video mem:( ) -Jonas On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, John Mitchell wrote: : :how fast does the thing boot, from power-on to login: prompt? : : :- j : :(My P2/350 128M Win95 box clocks in at ~3 mins, including a couple clicks; :grrrrr. The PalmV boots in, oh, an eyeblink, but porn looks terrible on :it :) ) : : : :This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm : This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 20:35:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03691 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:34:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990720170929.01a69ad0@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:13:20 -0700 To: "greg@censoft.com" From: Jay Vaughan Subject: [uCsimm] RE: NanoGUI for uC Simm? Cc: ucsimm@uClinux.org In-Reply-To: <01BED2DB.C6815CB0.greg@censoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org >Given that the uCSimm is designed to function >: with relatively simple LCD displays I'm not sure how well this will work >: out, but I willing to bridge any development gaps as needed. > Worry first about how to read and write a pixel, and you're 90% of the >way there. >Greg Okay, well the uCSimm guys have that capability with the uCSimm proto boards already, using the EPSON 6.3" backlit LCD display screen (VGA). So I guess it'll be pretty easy to get nanoGUI working on the uCSimm then... That's good news. I'll work on this as soon as I get my kits and LCD panel - ordered 2 panels today for this project. On a bit of a tangent, what are your views on 'multi-headed' display capabilities for the NanoGUI? I guess I could write the driver to do the mapping between the two displays automatically - I envision a system with two of these display screens... I figure I could just hack the driver so that the two displays appear as a 'virtual desktop' with high resolution, I guess... j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 20:49:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03723 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:48:46 -0400 Message-ID: <00a101bed310$21dfb8c0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: <000801bed2c2$eef3dc40$e2e492d1@www.geomedia-emin.com> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Why are prices in US dollars? Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:29:43 -0400 Organization: RyeHAM ARC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Colin Peart writes: > I visited the booth at Comdex Toronto, and they said that they would be > happy to quote a price in Canadian dollars to anyone that asked. Ps. > Seeing it running, those things are nifty-cool. They had it advertising > itself with a display panel, and meanwhile one of them telneted into for me > to see. Very impressive. They had it serving web pages, accessing them > from an NFS mounted drive over the ether. It is always reasurring to see > the device in action. > > --Colin Peart Thanks Colin, I was pleased to see about 7 people from this list visit our booth at Comdex last week. Jeff and I really appreciated meeting everyone from the Toronto Linux Users Group and the Canadian Linux Users Exchange who also attended the show. The Linux pavilion was packed every day with people from the linux curious to the linux savvy. I am proud that Jeff and I could help advertise Linux's achievements with our booth! Our Comdex display featured: - Two (2) LCD displays driven by the uCsimm - One (1) PLC (4 input and 4 output Programmable Logic Controller) The Two LCD displays were mounted on Plexiglas stands and showed the monochrome VGA screens 480 W x 640 H. The uCsimm was connected by Ethernet and mounted a remote harddrive via NFS. The uCsimm then grabbed the bit map files and displayed them on the LCD displays. Many people wanted to buy the stands for retail point of sales advertising displays. The Linux Weekly News has some really nice picture of the display and a cool article about the linux pavilion at the Comdex show last week. Check out: PICTURE 1 -> http://www.lwn.net/daily/linuxcanada/uclinux1.jpg PICTURE 2 -> http://www.lwn.net/daily/linuxcanada/uclinux2.jpg Story -> http://www.lwn.net/daily/linuxcanada/lwn2.html More photos of the Linux pavilion can be found at http://www.lwn.net/daily/linuxcanada/ As for the questions about the US vs CANADIAN prices.... Yes we are listing the product in US dollars. For the Canadians that place orders we do confirm the price back to them in Canadian dollars with Canadian TAXES (as required by our Federal and Provincial laws). Sorry I can't deliver goods to anyone tax free its against the law. :-( And as for international orders ... the currency of international banking is US dollars. Michael Durrant This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 20:50:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03735 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:50:19 -0400 From: Russell Nelson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:30:17 -0400 (EDT) To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Ethernet In-Reply-To: <199907202118.VAA28506@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> References: <14228.59015.381501.427807@desk.crynwr.com> <199907202118.VAA28506@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14229.5175.975804.420691@desk.crynwr.com> X-Face: $K'YURj"g6ImvqTS_=]8)gqh!5;ElY<[.Rao%j8r+]iUfE{%|v%F<=mcq<6l{K=~mf&#:?" nslS]U~|x{2V=Eex_I#"9K~9)>?m7Lm={(j_&)SX~fzg&ST~P%QUhc{1p]c3@Zn1u*PZlkHM**X^vV l>GkB5y^Kz%w5p~^uDue]hL&ke,N;+Q It's I/O mapped as far as the cs8900 is concerned, the CPU sees it in the > memory space of course. What I ment was that we didn't implement the cs8900's > memory mapped mode. Since the I/O mode is memory mapped (from the CPU's POV) > there is no need or advantage. Greatly simplifies things. Oh. Well, memory-mapped mode would have been more efficient. You get direct access to the registers and packets that way, instead of having to go through an address/data I/O port. -- -russ nelson http://crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr sells OSI Certified(tm) Open Source Sware| PGPok | Government schools are so 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 21:09:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03788 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:09:01 -0400 From: Donald Jeff Dionne Message-Id: <199907210036.AAA28884@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Ethernet To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:36:25 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <14229.5175.975804.420691@desk.crynwr.com> from "Russell Nelson" at Jul 20, 99 08:30:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > > Donald Jeff Dionne writes: > > It's I/O mapped as far as the cs8900 is concerned, the CPU sees it in the > > memory space of course. What I ment was that we didn't implement the cs8900's > > memory mapped mode. Since the I/O mode is memory mapped (from the CPU's POV) > > there is no need or advantage. Greatly simplifies things. > > Oh. Well, memory-mapped mode would have been more efficient. You get > direct access to the registers and packets that way, instead of having > to go through an address/data I/O port. I took this into account and considered it a minimal issue. The chip handles auto increment of the packet buffer pointer, so you only need to set the pointer once before you do a read or write of the entire packet. As for the other registers, there are only perhaps 5 of them used once each per packet. The overhead invloved is then only 6 instructions, which is right down in the noise. The compiler generates more junk instructions than that moving things to another register when they end up somewhere it didn't like! IMHO, this is the best sol'n and Crystal seems to agree, this is how they suggest using the cs8900 with memory mapped machines. > > -- > -russ nelson http://crynwr.com/~nelson > Crynwr sells OSI Certified(tm) Open Source Sware| PGPok | Government schools are so > 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur > Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > -- Cheers, Jeff / VE3DJF Jeff@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca http://www.cgocable.net/~jdionne Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. ... This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 21:10:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03797 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:10:11 -0400 From: Russell Nelson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:50:56 -0400 (EDT) To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Why are prices in US dollars? In-Reply-To: <00a101bed310$21dfb8c0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> References: <000801bed2c2$eef3dc40$e2e492d1@www.geomedia-emin.com> <00a101bed310$21dfb8c0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14229.6470.513876.602067@desk.crynwr.com> X-Face: $K'YURj"g6ImvqTS_=]8)gqh!5;ElY<[.Rao%j8r+]iUfE{%|v%F<=mcq<6l{K=~mf&#:?" nslS]U~|x{2V=Eex_I#"9K~9)>?m7Lm={(j_&)SX~fzg&ST~P%QUhc{1p]c3@Zn1u*PZlkHM**X^vV l>GkB5y^Kz%w5p~^uDue]hL&ke,N;+Q Many people wanted to buy the stands for retail > point of sales advertising displays. > PICTURE 2 -> http://www.lwn.net/daily/linuxcanada/uclinux2.jpg They *are* very handsome. -- -russ nelson http://crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr sells OSI Certified(tm) Open Source Sware| PGPok | Government schools are so 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 20 21:48:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03898 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:47:58 -0400 Message-ID: <37952215.A1C7E2B2@moreton.com.au> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:27:49 +1000 From: Greg Ungerer Organization: Moreton Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] USB Interface? References: <5F23E32C8967D111A5D10000F81F6DE101534BF4@exchvic2.dsto.defence.gov.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hi Cameron, Lewis, Cameron wrote: > Would anyone knowledgeable in the area care to comment on the possibility of > implementing a USB interface with the uCsimm? We have some small (~70 x > 40mm) USB I/O cards with ADC, DAC and DIO. A number of these are to be > connected to a PC which will feed data to/from another system over ethernet. > Replacing the PC with a uCsimm could reduce space, cost, complexity, etc. > I2C/SPI look like they may be too slow for USB. Dunno about uCsimm, but the Moreton Bay NETtel (model 2700) will have 2 host USB interfaces on it. Runs uClinux on the Motorola ColdFire CPU (significantly faster then the traditional embedded 68k's). Check it out at: http://www.moreton.com.au/mbweb/product/nettel/nettel.htm Seeya Greg ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Greg Ungerer EMAIL: gerg@moreton.com.au Moreton Bay PHONE: +61 7 3279 1822 Unit 6, 97 Jijaws St, FAX: +61 7 3279 1820 Sumner Park, QLD, 4074, Australia WEB: www.moreton.com.au This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 05:18:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04852 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 05:17:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37958B68.2337DE8D@ecid.cig.mot.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:57:12 +0100 From: Jon Gadsden Organization: Motorola X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ucsimm@uClinux.org" Subject: [uCsimm] Idle Current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I am looking at using the uCsimm for a very low power project - which will spend most iof its days in idle. Are there (ballpark) figures for the current concumptionin idle mode? Thanks, Jon -- Jon Gadsden, Business Systems Development Group EMAIL: jgadsde1@ecid.cig.mot.com Address: Motorola, 16 Euroway Blagrove, Swindon.SN5 8YQ Tel: (+44) 1793 565691 Fax: (+44) 1793 566529 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 11:38:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05589 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:38:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:18:05 -0400 From: John Mitchell To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Project components - status? In-Reply-To: <199907202104.VAA28452@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Donald Jeff Dionne wrote: > > - Onboard uCSimm Dev kit. > > I don't know how feasible it is, but I'd like to get some sort of > > onboard dev environment for the uCSimm ported. Either some sort of > > scripting language (Perl/TCL/etc) or ultimately a minimal C compiler. > > Was not designed for self hosting of course. However, a scripting language > would be a real bonus! Not to start a language war, but I'd suggest Python ( http://www.python.org/ ). It's a high-level, interpreted, object-oriented scripting language, with excellent support for both embedding (into other apps) and extending (adding libraries to Python.) There's even a flavor (JPython) that compiles to Java bytecodes; and you can interactively call Java classes with *no* overhead, wrapper classes, etc. There's a version of Python for the Psion 5, but other than that I dont know the minimal footprint. - j This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 11:38:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05580 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:37:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: Erwin Authried Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:14:50 +0200 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] SPI speed Organization: Softwareentwicklung und Systemdesign Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mail4u Version 1.3.02 beta (http://www.mail4u.home.at) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org The Dragonball manual says that the max. SPI clock is /4, so that's 4MHz with a 16MHz clock. Why does the ucSimm specification say that the SPI speed is 2MHz only? Is there some reason for this limitation? -Erwin -- mail4u Version 1.3.02 beta (http://www.mail4u.home.at), registered for Softwareentwicklung und Systemdesign This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 11:54:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05622 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:54:23 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199907202041.UAA28380@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:36:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Eric GAUDET To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Ethernet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns1.rt-control.com id LAA05620 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Le 20-Jul-99 Donald Jeff Dionne racontais : > > > It could still use some optimization, tho... > > > > Speed or size? I have a 1.4 driver that might be faster, but it's > > also bigger. > > Speed. Right now it uses a for() {} loop to load and unload the packets > from the chip. I need to write some assembler, gcc did quite poorly :-( > I can help here : I know quite well asm68k and I have some time to spare in july and august. Just send me all the C routines you want, and I'll do translation. ---------------------------------- Eric GAUDET (Eric GAUDET ) Le 21-Jul-99 a 13:21:06 "Free the mallocs !" ---------------------------------- This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 11:58:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05642 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:56:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: gorlick@rush.aero.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199907202104.VAA28452@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:39:57 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Michael Gorlick Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Project components - status? Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org >On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Donald Jeff Dionne wrote: >> > - Onboard uCSimm Dev kit. >> > I don't know how feasible it is, but I'd like to get some sort of >> > onboard dev environment for the uCSimm ported. Either some sort of >> > scripting language (Perl/TCL/etc) or ultimately a minimal C compiler. >> >> Was not designed for self hosting of course. However, a scripting language >> would be a real bonus! > >Not to start a language war, but I'd suggest Python ( >http://www.python.org/ ). It's a high-level, interpreted, object-oriented >scripting language, with excellent support for both embedding (into other >apps) and extending (adding libraries to Python.) There's even a flavor >(JPython) that compiles to Java bytecodes; and you can interactively call >Java classes with *no* overhead, wrapper classes, etc. > >There's a version of Python for the Psion 5, but other than that I dont >know the minimal footprint. > > As I have mentioned previously on this mailing list we have a stripped down Python 1.5.1 running on the Palm Pilot under Palm OS which we plan to make available in the near future under an open source license. It should be quite straightforward to port it to the ucsimm. I will post a notice to this list when it becomes available. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 12:03:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05672 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:02:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:42:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Simon X-Sender: simon@bigmac To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Order confirmations? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hmm, I hate to respond to my own post, but I was sort of expecting someone associated with the project to respond to this... Did I mistakenly send a fax with credit card information to the wrong folks? Will a ucsimm be shipped to me soon? Was it all a bad dream and I never really did send the FAX off? It's hard to tell at this point. Mike Simon On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Mike Simon wrote: > For those of us that faxed in an order form, should we be getting any sort > of order confirmation? I faxed in the form and credit card info a few days > ago, but haven't hear anything back... > > Mike Simon > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 13:51:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05863 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:50:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:20:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Powell X-Sender: spowell@hamster.barclay.net To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Why are prices in US dollars? In-Reply-To: <00a101bed310$21dfb8c0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Michael Durrant wrote: > PICTURE 1 -> http://www.lwn.net/daily/linuxcanada/uclinux1.jpg > PICTURE 2 -> http://www.lwn.net/daily/linuxcanada/uclinux2.jpg > Story -> http://www.lwn.net/daily/linuxcanada/lwn2.html Well all this talk of bringing NanoGUI to the uCsimm and actually seeing pictures of it driving a 480x640 LCD has finally pushed me over the purchase threshold!!!! Very Very exciting stuff folks. BTW, anyone here interested in helping get the gnokii driver (http://multivac.fatburen.org/gnokii/) going in uCLinux? I'm eager to make my wearble wireless PDA that plugs right into my Nokia 6190. --Stef This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 14:38:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05983 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:38:41 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990721141806.00b77670@mail.mrj.com> X-Sender: matt@mail.mrj.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:18:06 -0400 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Matt Butcher Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Order confirmations? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org uh... I'm waiting on a reply to this msg before sending my fax off... Nothing personal, you know. I just want a warm fuzzy... At 08:42 AM 7/21/99 -0700, you wrote: >Hmm, I hate to respond to my own post, but I was sort of expecting someone >associated with the project to respond to this... Did I mistakenly send a >fax with credit card information to the wrong folks? Will a ucsimm be >shipped to me soon? Was it all a bad dream and I never really did send the >FAX off? It's hard to tell at this point. > >Mike Simon > >On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Mike Simon wrote: > >> For those of us that faxed in an order form, should we be getting any sort >> of order confirmation? I faxed in the form and credit card info a few days >> ago, but haven't hear anything back... >> >> Mike Simon >> >> This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm >> > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 15:18:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06083 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:17:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990720115339.0187ed00@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:54:10 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Project components - status? In-Reply-To: References: <199907202104.VAA28452@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org >Not to start a language war, but I'd suggest Python ( >http://www.python.org/ ). It's a high-level, interpreted, object-oriented >scripting language, with excellent support for both embedding (into other >apps) and extending (adding libraries to Python.) There's even a flavor >(JPython) that compiles to Java bytecodes; and you can interactively call >Java classes with *no* overhead, wrapper classes, etc. > >There's a version of Python for the Psion 5, but other than that I dont >know the minimal footprint. > I concur, I think Python is an excellent contender for a script language port to the uCSimm... It'll get my attention first. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 16:21:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06325 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:20:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:00:04 -0400 From: John Mitchell To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] Nokia driver for uCLinux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Stefan Powell wrote: > BTW, anyone here interested in helping get the gnokii driver > (http://multivac.fatburen.org/gnokii/) going in uCLinux? I'm eager to > make my wearble wireless PDA that plugs right into my Nokia 6190. > > --Stef There's already several Palm apps for the Nokia, at http://www.palmpilotgear.com/software/answer.cfm?quicksearch2=Nokia - j This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 16:36:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06374 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:36:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: Ziolko Ryan-crz074 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] Quickcam Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:16:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hello All- Any have interest in making the B&W (or Color) Quickcam work in uclinux? That would be DELUXE. Speaking about the qcam, it is possible to modify the camera so that it can feed into a TV? What part is the CCD on there? Ryan This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 16:41:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06393 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:41:52 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990720131946.01855920@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:20:01 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: [uCsimm] Wireless LAN abilities. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I just read up on the new iBook release from Apple, and the thing that interested me most was the wireless LAN (AirPort) capability. Here's some links to similar products for PC's: http://www.nwn.com/ http://www.3com.com/promotions/wireless/index.html Wouldn't it be cool to be able to add wireless LAN abilities to the uCSimm somewhere down the line? j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 17:30:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06509 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:29:35 -0400 Message-ID: <003901bed3bd$7972d100$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Orderdesk (www.uClinux.com)" To: References: <3.0.5.32.19990721141806.00b77670@mail.mrj.com> Subject: [uCsimm] Warm Fuzzies! Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:10:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Mike Simon wrote: > > For those of us that faxed in an order form, should we be getting any sort > of order confirmation? I faxed in the form and credit card info a few days > ago, but haven't hear anything back... Hi! Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Paula and I process the orders submitted by phone, fax or the webpage orderdesk. I do not read the uCsimm subscribers list regularly, but I am trying to respond to requests about orders that are sent there. To clear up any confusion about confirmations of confirmations......We have sent those who submitted orders confirmations with a tracking number and payment options. We will send another confirmation when we are ready to ship. If you have any concerns regarding any aspect of your order, I am happy to answer ( I'm really a very nice person!). Our order procedures will be streamlined in future once Visa and Mastercard can be accepted directly on our website so that only one confirmation will be necessary prior to shipping ...(I'll be happy when that happens.... :-) ) Please send any questions regarding your order to orderdesk@uclinux.com > Matt Butcher wrote: > >uh... I'm waiting on a reply to this msg before sending my fax off... >Nothing personal, you know. I just want a warm fuzzy... I too like warm fuzzies... I hope this clarifies things. Paula This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 17:39:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06547 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:39:28 -0400 Message-ID: <004101bed3be$daa13ec0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: <199907202104.VAA28452@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Project components - status? Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:20:25 -0400 Organization: RyeHAM ARC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Michael Gorlick wrote: stuff deleted ... > ... we have a > stripped down Python 1.5.1 running on the Palm Pilot under Palm OS which > we plan to make available in the near future under an open source license. > It should be quite straightforward to port it to the ucsimm. I will post > a notice to this list when it becomes available. Michael, If you could get the Open Source Python 1.5.1 to Jeff and I in the next few days .... we could clean it up and include it on the uClinux CD. We plan to send the master off really soon so we can get the CD's and Hardware back in time to ship them together. -- Michael Durrant mdurrant@uclinux.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 17:49:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06587 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:49:12 -0400 Message-ID: <37963F85.1B0EFFF6@on-ramp.ior.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:45:41 -0700 From: Phil Wilshire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Project components - status? References: <199907202104.VAA28452@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> <4.1.19990720115339.0187ed00@teklab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Jay Vaughan wrote: > > >Not to start a language war, but I'd suggest Python ( > >http://www.python.org/ ). It's a high-level, interpreted, object-oriented > >scripting language, with excellent support for both embedding (into other > >apps) and extending (adding libraries to Python.) There's even a flavor > >(JPython) that compiles to Java bytecodes; and you can interactively call > >Java classes with *no* overhead, wrapper classes, etc. > > > >There's a version of Python for the Psion 5, but other than that I dont > >know the minimal footprint. > > > > I concur, I think Python is an excellent contender for a script language > port to the uCSimm... It'll get my attention first. > > j. I agree I use python A LOT. it is really a great langiuage. Phil Wilshire This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 17:57:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06620 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:57:47 -0400 From: "David Siebert" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Project components - status? Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:43:58 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <004101bed3be$daa13ec0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Okay I have to know perl, PHP, SQL, and Javascript to work on my company web site and C++ for our main product. I don't want to learn Python as well. ;) What about a good old basic. It works on the stamp. I for one will use c++. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org]On Behalf Of Michael Durrant Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 5:20 PM To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Project components - status? Michael Gorlick wrote: stuff deleted ... > ... we have a > stripped down Python 1.5.1 running on the Palm Pilot under Palm OS which > we plan to make available in the near future under an open source license. > It should be quite straightforward to port it to the ucsimm. I will post > a notice to this list when it becomes available. Michael, If you could get the Open Source Python 1.5.1 to Jeff and I in the next few days .... we could clean it up and include it on the uClinux CD. We plan to send the master off really soon so we can get the CD's and Hardware back in time to ship them together. -- Michael Durrant mdurrant@uclinux.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 18:20:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06706 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:20:16 -0400 From: "Tim Scott" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Quickcam Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:00:31 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01bed3c4$731c7c50$9dcf60ce@capsher.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I'm interested. I don't think it is possible to hook a qcam to a TV, as I think that the all-in-one-CCD chip the qcam uses is one that outputs a parallel data digital signal. You can get other CCD chips that output NTSC w/ a minimum of components. The Tyco toy b&w camera used one of these. --Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org]On > Behalf Of Ziolko Ryan-crz074 > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 3:17 PM > To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Subject: [uCsimm] Quickcam > > > Hello All- > > Any have interest in making the B&W (or Color) Quickcam work in uclinux? > That would be DELUXE. Speaking about the qcam, it is possible to > modify the > camera so that it can feed into a TV? What part is the CCD on there? > > Ryan > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server > http://www.uClinux.org/simm > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 20:02:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06955 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:56:56 -0400 Message-ID: <37965929.FF9BEB98@execpc.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:35:05 -0500 From: Rick Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Quickcam References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Ziolko Ryan-crz074 wrote: > Hello All- > > Any have interest in making the B&W (or Color) Quickcam work in uclinux? > That would be DELUXE. Speaking about the qcam, it is possible to modify the > camera so that it can feed into a TV? What part is the CCD on there? Hooking one of those computer cameras to a TV is a very tall order because they output digital data. There are analog mini-cam boards that do output NTSC though. They usually run about $100. Security perople are the main buyers. One nice thing about some of the computer camera chips is that they have a serial data output mode. See: http://www.vvl.co.uk for one example. -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 20:06:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07002 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:05:45 -0400 From: "Bob Coggeshall" To: Subject: [uCsimm] DRAM chip Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:46:44 -0700 Message-ID: <01e701bed3d3$49d30940$1931a8c0@talkeena.inside.sealabs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <001c01bed3c4$731c7c50$9dcf60ce@capsher.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Can anyone tell me what DRAM chip the ucsimm is using ? Also, what is the max amount of dram I can hang off a dragonball. 4 or 8mb ? tia ..c This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 21:36:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07167 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:34:58 -0400 Message-Id: <199907220115.LAA02706@piglet.dstc.edu.au> To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Project components - status? X-Attribution: davida X-Files: wednesday, 8:30pm X-URL: X-Face: 2#;/avfeVL:b Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:15:06 +1000 From: David Arnold Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org -->"John" == John Mitchell writes: John> There's a version of Python for the Psion 5, but other than John> that I dont know the minimal footprint. also for win-ce, qnx, etc. quite a few people seem to have pared it down for embedded use. d This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 22:16:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07310 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:15:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:55:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Simon X-Sender: simon@bigmac To: ucsimm@uClinux.org cc: orderdesk@uclinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Warm Fuzzies! In-Reply-To: <003901bed3bd$7972d100$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I'll uh confirm this confirmation of the confirmation sent to me today. I did, in fact get a confirmation of my order today (thanks Paula.) So those of you that might have been waiting, order away, help me make the volume price drop... Thanks to whomever passed our concerns on to Paula! Mike Simon On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Orderdesk (www.uClinux.com) wrote: > > > > Mike Simon wrote: > > > > For those of us that faxed in an order form, should we be getting any sort > > of order confirmation? I faxed in the form and credit card info a few days > > ago, but haven't hear anything back... > > Hi! Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Paula and I process the > orders submitted by phone, fax or the webpage orderdesk. I do not read > the uCsimm subscribers list regularly, but I am trying to respond to > requests about orders that are sent there. To clear up any confusion > about confirmations of confirmations......We have sent those who > submitted orders confirmations with a tracking number and payment > options. We will send another confirmation when we are ready to ship. > If you have any concerns regarding any aspect of your order, I am happy > to answer ( I'm really a very nice person!). > > Our order procedures will be streamlined in future once Visa and > Mastercard can be accepted directly on our website so that only one > confirmation will be necessary prior to shipping > ...(I'll be happy when that happens.... :-) ) > Please send any questions regarding your order to orderdesk@uclinux.com > > > Matt Butcher wrote: > > > >uh... I'm waiting on a reply to this msg before sending my fax off... > >Nothing personal, you know. I just want a warm fuzzy... > > I too like warm fuzzies... I hope this clarifies things. > Paula > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 22:24:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07337 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:23:16 -0400 Message-ID: <37967B59.B7AC590D@elephanttalk.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:00:57 +0800 From: Ted Liu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, zh-CN, zh, zh-TW MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Order confirmations? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Mike Simon wrote: > > Hmm, I hate to respond to my own post, but I was sort of expecting someone > associated with the project to respond to this... Did I mistakenly send a > fax with credit card information to the wrong folks? Will a ucsimm be > shipped to me soon? Was it all a bad dream and I never really did send the > FAX off? It's hard to tell at this point. > > Mike Simon > > On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Mike Simon wrote: > > > For those of us that faxed in an order form, should we be getting any sort > > of order confirmation? I faxed in the form and credit card info a few days > > ago, but haven't hear anything back... > > > > Mike Simon Mike, I have the same concern. Ted Liu. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 23:27:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07543 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:26:06 -0400 Message-ID: <066301bed3ef$46dbb180$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "uClinux" To: References: <01e701bed3d3$49d30940$1931a8c0@talkeena.inside.sealabs.com> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] DRAM chip Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:07:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org You can only hang 4 MB off each dram chip select but it has a mode that combines two dram chip selects (CAS lines) into one. The other then becomes useless. This is what we have done so we are going to ship with 8MB DRAM. Cool? Jeff and Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Coggeshall To: Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 7:46 PM Subject: [uCsimm] DRAM chip > Can anyone tell me what DRAM chip the ucsimm is using ? > Also, what is the max amount of dram I can hang off a dragonball. 4 or 8mb ? > tia > ..c > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 21 23:31:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07573 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:30:29 -0400 Message-ID: <37968B3E.EAAA671A@execpc.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:08:46 -0500 From: Rick Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Wireless LAN abilities. References: <4.1.19990720131946.01855920@teklab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Jay Vaughan wrote: > I just read up on the new iBook release from Apple, and the thing that > interested me most was the wireless LAN (AirPort) capability. Bluetooth seems to be ready to hit the streets soon. See http://www.Bluetooth.com for an overview. I've been watching this develop for about a year now. The real fun starts now that commodity silicon is starting to surface. Ericsson seems to be the first out of the box. Their transceiver chip seems to have a SPI interface! They have a developers kit for 9K UKP ($15K USD). Ouch! That also includes an ARM/Thumb variant controller and software stack that they seem to want to sell as a package. See http://www.ericsson.se/microe/pdf/other/BluetoothPA3.pdf for the datasheet. It's a tad on the brief side but it gives you the general idea. If one of you guys can figure out how to talk to it, I can build hardware for it. At 2.45GHz you can make an antenna out of a trace on the circuit board. It's way cool, a little tricky but I've done it before. I'm thinking repeater/bridge here. When I did my carrier I added an IrDA option for the same reason, but IrDA isn't all that interesting due to the 1 meter range. Bluetooth, on the other hand has a 100 meter range. With Ericsson, IBM, Intel, Nokia, and Toshiba pushing it, (read: paying for the development) it will happen. -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 02:40:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07948 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 02:37:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3796AECC.18C09F88@on-ramp.ior.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:40:28 -0700 From: phil wilshire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.27 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucsimms Trying to fax an order confirmation. References: <015a01bece4d$56bec8a0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org HI there Your fax line was busy all day.... I was trying to fax an order confirmation to you for my two systems. If I have no luck I'll send them snail mail if that is OK. Delighted that your fax line was busy. Good luck guys... Phil Wilshire This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 02:40:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07955 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 02:38:06 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:18:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: 33O75x,Bv}V=X(FIazNH',9jjaWqU)%xj6g'@6'E8]Q#"P*{v6&18ZbYceuNY}k!RAMh-NW Nz!&s&B.R~'vP{ From: "Schnaggy [Carsten Wagner]" To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Order confirmations? Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I did the fax too last tuesday and got nothing til now. So please send any confirmation. Thanks, Schnaggy;-) - ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Schnaggy > Date: 22-Jul-99 Time: 08:18:05 - ---------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBN5a3okQHsyCoPLbdEQJ8zACcC3tFg9+myU4uZGltFYHeElMc0KgAnj5x 8Y4EZ0Ejamt8Rh7Y1ecf9gtX =Ajkg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 04:59:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08189 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:57:34 -0400 Message-ID: <3796D798.B12BEC4B@icehouse.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:34:32 -0700 From: Rick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucsimms Trying to fax an order confirmation. References: <015a01bece4d$56bec8a0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> <3796AECC.18C09F88@on-ramp.ior.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Phil, I ordered from the uCsimm web page and have not heard back from them. I have been reading the mail list and noticed people are faxing and confirming confirmations. When do I get to fax and stuff. I just sent an e-mail to Paula at the order desk. What else should be doing?? Also, could you send me rick Farmer's web page URL. Thanks. rickj This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 06:47:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08382 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:45:48 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990722032254.018089b0@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 03:23:39 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: [uCsimm] An MP3 playback peripheral for interfacing with the uCSimm. In-Reply-To: <3796AECC.18C09F88@on-ramp.ior.com> References: <015a01bece4d$56bec8a0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Found this in my bookmarks folder today. I knew there was a reason I kept it around: http://www.imbdev.com/MPEG3_ID.htm Wouldn't be such a bad idea to interface this to a uCSimm, eh? :) j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 10:56:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08844 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:53:47 -0400 Message-ID: <37972B28.10E47D76@metris.be> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:31:04 +0200 From: Filip Peters Organization: Metris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] An MP3 playback peripheral for interfacing with the uCSimm. References: <015a01bece4d$56bec8a0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> <4.1.19990722032254.018089b0@teklab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Yeah, I've got one of those! I think it would be quite easy to use the uCsimm as a controller to get data from an nfs mount and into the mp3 board, (although you still need a larger computer to export a drive as an ntfs mount :) ) you do not need much processing power to twiddle a bit at 128kb. FYI I'm using a 68hc11 to get data from a cdrom and into the mp3 decoder. Jay Vaughan wrote: > Found this in my bookmarks folder today. I knew there was a reason I kept > it around: > > http://www.imbdev.com/MPEG3_ID.htm > > Wouldn't be such a bad idea to interface this to a uCSimm, eh? > > :) > > j. > > -- > Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com > TekLab | http://www.teklab.com > { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } > Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ > > ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm -- Ir. Filip Peters fp@metris.be This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 11:25:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08912 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:23:51 -0400 Message-ID: <038f01bed453$8b09c540$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: <015a01bece4d$56bec8a0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> <3796AECC.18C09F88@on-ramp.ior.com> <3796D798.B12BEC4B@icehouse.net> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucsimms Trying to fax an order confirmation. Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:04:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I would like to let everyone know that the fax machine works well. The line works well and yes we are receiving faxes. I regret that we only have the one line with one fax machine on it. It is on 24 hours a day! I had to laugh at first when I started reading emails saying my fax machine was not working. Then it hit me ! Their was a major fire at a phone switch in Toronto that took out 130,000 phone line and the international in/out lines as well. This fire was last friday. While they have routed around the problem ... I bet you they are still working on the lines when most of the line traffic is low ... in the middle of the night! This may explain why some international callers can't get faxes through. For those new to the ucsimm list. It is a public list everyone see all emails. So think twice before discussing your order over the list. It is best to email or call paula directly. Paula can be reached at : orderdesk@uclinux.com or phone (416) 241-2708 or fax (416) 243-1173 If you are having difficulty calling our fax number call Paula on our voice line and let her know you are having a problem. Maybe she can help or accept your information over the phone. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 13:01:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09114 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:59:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:39:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Patrick West To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] Confused Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org What exactly is this "gardener" host board? Why would I want it? I have a pilot and I want to get the ucsim, Does this come with ethernet? (from the picture I can't see) Patrick This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 13:17:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09179 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:16:07 -0400 Message-ID: <006f01bed463$3a3ed640$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Confused Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:57:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Patrick The uCsimm module (uC68EZ328) has Ethernet and magnetics on board. The uCgardener kit has the RJ45, DB9, SIMM and Power connectors as well as a prototyping area. Assembly is required for this kit. So warm up your solder irons. With the uCsimm and uCgardener you will only need a wall cube power supply, and cables to get started. The photo's on the www.lwn.net site show the uCsimm being used run aplexiglas LCD display. Just one the uCsimm's capabilities. The photos on our www.uclinux.com site shows the uCsimm in an earlier prototype board simmilar to the uCgardener. -- Michael mdurrant@uclinux.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick West To: Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 12:39 PM Subject: [uCsimm] Confused > What exactly is this "gardener" host board? > Why would I want it? > I have a pilot and I want to get the ucsim, > Does this come with ethernet? (from the picture I can't see) > > Patrick > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 15:45:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09484 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:42:00 -0400 Message-Id: From: root@nthstone.mi.org (RootBranchLeafandStem) Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Wireless LAN abilities. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990720131946.01855920@teklab.com> from Jay Vaughan at "Jul 20, 99 01:20:01 pm" To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL37 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Wouldn't it be cool to be able to add wireless LAN abilities to the uCSimm > somewhere down the line? this is one of the projects that i am working on with the ucsimm. the existing packet radio projects, i.e. http://www.tapr.org/ interface nicely to a serial port, altho at only 1200baud end-to-end :-( it will not be long until 802.11 or whatever will give us enet speeds over public freqs. -- tony audas - taudas@nthstone.mi.org - System Nth Stone from The Sun Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice: What I tell you three times is true. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 16:13:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09642 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:12:15 -0400 Message-ID: <004901bed47e$1c3d4da0$1103010a@t1.com> From: "Nathan Price" To: References: <006f01bed463$3a3ed640$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Confused Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:09:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Where on www.lwn.net are the pictures? Thanks, Nathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Durrant To: Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Confused > > Patrick > > The uCsimm module (uC68EZ328) has Ethernet and magnetics on > board. The uCgardener kit has the RJ45, DB9, SIMM and Power > connectors as well as a prototyping area. Assembly is required > for this kit. So warm up your solder irons. > > With the uCsimm and uCgardener you will only need a wall cube > power supply, and cables to get started. The photo's on the www.lwn.net > site show the uCsimm being used run aplexiglas LCD display. > Just one the uCsimm's capabilities. The photos on our www.uclinux.com > site shows the uCsimm in an earlier prototype board simmilar to the > uCgardener. > > > -- > Michael > mdurrant@uclinux.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick West > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 12:39 PM > Subject: [uCsimm] Confused > > > > What exactly is this "gardener" host board? > > Why would I want it? > > I have a pilot and I want to get the ucsim, > > Does this come with ethernet? (from the picture I can't see) > > > > Patrick > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server > http://www.uClinux.org/simm > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 16:49:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09741 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:47:47 -0400 Message-ID: <379796E1.A525E562@T-Online.de> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:10:41 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: uClinux Mailinglist Subject: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 089852301-0001@t-online.de From: Christoph_Wunder@t-online.de (Chris) Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hi, I intend to use the uCsimm as a PDA and a mobile webserver. Using a 320x240 LCD as std output device is fine, but how about the input device ? Some people might try using a HP48gx or a "real" PDA with a terminal emulator on it, which is a good idea to me too, but a small keyboard or even a touchscreen is much better (I think). Maybe there are some people who have a solution for this problem and want to share it with us. Chris This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 18:35:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09998 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:34:53 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990722151120.01623720@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:11:48 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Confused In-Reply-To: <006f01bed463$3a3ed640$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org >The uCsimm module (uC68EZ328) has Ethernet and magnetics on >board. What's 'magnetics'? My LCD screens arrived today - they look pretty good, can't wait to plug 'em into something! j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 19:31:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10113 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:31:01 -0400 From: Russell Nelson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:11:42 -0400 (EDT) To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Confused In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990722151120.01623720@teklab.com> References: <006f01bed463$3a3ed640$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> <4.1.19990722151120.01623720@teklab.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14231.42276.390240.867037@desk.crynwr.com> X-Face: $K'YURj"g6ImvqTS_=]8)gqh!5;ElY<[.Rao%j8r+]iUfE{%|v%F<=mcq<6l{K=~mf&#:?" nslS]U~|x{2V=Eex_I#"9K~9)>?m7Lm={(j_&)SX~fzg&ST~P%QUhc{1p]c3@Zn1u*PZlkHM**X^vV l>GkB5y^Kz%w5p~^uDue]hL&ke,N;+Q >The uCsimm module (uC68EZ328) has Ethernet and magnetics on > >board. > > What's 'magnetics'? Ethernet transformers. -- -russ nelson http://crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr sells OSI Certified(tm) Open Source Sware| PGPok | Government schools are so 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 19:36:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10122 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:36:13 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990722161034.00c417d0@teklab.com> Message-Id: <4.1.19990722161034.00c417d0@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:12:00 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: [uCsimm] Firewire Support In-Reply-To: <004901bed47e$1c3d4da0$1103010a@t1.com> References: <006f01bed463$3a3ed640$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Okay, I've decided that I want the GeekClock to have Firewire capabilities, if not in v1.0, at least by v1.1. :) Can some of you enlightened hardware hackers take a few minutes and educate us on what it would take to add Firewire (and/or USB) support to the uCSimm system? In the meantime, I'm going to scour the web for resources on Firewire support chips, etc. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 19:50:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10151 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:50:25 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990722161417.01d2de20@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:26:51 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm In-Reply-To: <379796E1.A525E562@T-Online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org >I intend to use the uCsimm as a PDA and a mobile webserver. Using a >320x240 LCD as std output device is fine, but how about the input >device ? >Some people might try using a HP48gx or a "real" PDA with a terminal >emulator on it, which is a good idea to me too, but a small keyboard or >even a touchscreen is much better (I think). >Maybe there are some people who have a solution for this problem and >want to share it with us. I was thinking the same thought this morning. I'm going to build a small d-pad (GameBoy type controller) for my GeekClock project and just use the existing I/O lines on the uCSimm for it - giving minimal menu/option selection abilities. I'd like to add a rotary wheel encoder at some point, for fine-tuning parameter values. So I'd start off with something like this: 4-way (or maybe 8-way) D-pad (directional type) arrow controller. 3 buttons Rotary encoder with shift wheel. That's 7 (or 11) buttons, plus a rotary encorder for +/- values. Adequate for my needs. Think "Game Boy" with an extra button, and a free-wheeling knob that can be used to increment/decrement values. This would suffice for the GeekClock project, as well as anything else I may end up using this system for - I have a few musical projects that I would use this as a host platform for, as well, and for those purposes my basic config works. But at some point I imagine that someone will hack together a chording interface that could be used, and/or the existing chorder peripherals that are under development by the Mobile Computing geeks at MIT could probably be easily adapted as well. In fact, I expect that as the uCSimm project takes off, and people start getting their prototypes, we'll probably be hearing more from the MIT/MC geeks at some point. There is definitely a lot of parity between us uCSimm hacker types and those guys. The conclusion of my thought process on this issue this morning was that to me, what is *more* important than the immediate i/o problem is case design, since this dictates what can/cannot be easily implemented. Having a chord-type interface consisting of a set of 4 or 5 buttons along one side of the case would be nice, but again this comes down to case design. Well, user i/o and case design dovetail, I guess. Something I feel we're sorta lacking in this community right now is the ability to design cases. I'd love to know what's involved in getting my own case design done in whatever program I'd need, then vacuum formed for use in my project, but I have no clue where to start. I just have concepts in my head - what's involved in getting something that actually performs to spec, can be reproduced by a plastics vacuum forming factory, etc? Which sort of led me to the next thought: we've got lots of talent that is interested in the uCSimm project as a host platform. Why not pool together? Perhaps now would be a good time to get a show of hands from those among us who are/plan to be contributing to the uCSimm project, so we can pool resources? Here's a rough list of the categories of talent I'd say would be nice to have access to for various uCSimm projects: Electronics Engineering (We've got the uCSimm blokes!) Software Engineering (I'm willing to contribute as much as I can) Industrial Design (case specs, etc) Human Interface Engineering (gui design, etc) If you have talent to contribute to a project based on the uCSimm platform, why not send a message to this list with a Subject line set to : "INTRO: ", where is 'hardware design', 'electronics engineering', 'software development', etc., or some combination thereof, and then put your details in the message header. I'll collect these and put them up on a web page, if that's okay with everyone, so that we can see what area's we are missing... Send your "INTRO:" messages, I'll collate 'em and put them up on the web. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 20:16:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10209 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:15:27 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990722164716.01a3a8b0@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:47:29 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: [uCsimm] More on Firewire. In-Reply-To: <379796E1.A525E562@T-Online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Interesting reading: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ianman/research/1394vsUSB.html j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 20:19:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10218 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:19:05 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990722165430.01bdd4e0@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:55:51 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: [uCsimm] Firewire details. In-Reply-To: <379796E1.A525E562@T-Online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org TI has a single chip solution for Firewire developers, mentioned here: http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?EET19990329S0029 It says that it interfaces to PCI or Cardbus - but I'm sure they've got other bus types that can be supported on the uCSimm relatively simply, no? Can someone who is more electronics-inclined explain to this programmer what it would take to get a package like this one from TI integrated with the uCSimm? j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 20:22:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10227 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:22:41 -0400 Message-ID: <3797B0B9.E7E913ED@execpc.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:00:57 -0500 From: Rick Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Confused References: <4.1.19990722151120.01623720@teklab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Jay Vaughan wrote: > >The uCsimm module (uC68EZ328) has Ethernet and magnetics on > >board. > > What's 'magnetics'? 10base-T ethernet uses a coupling transformer to DC isolate the two ends of the connection because they tend to be at different ground potentials. The same approach is used in modems. -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 21:00:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10328 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:00:24 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990722173705.01a0fe40@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:37:24 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: [uCsimm] Interesting digital camera resource. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990722151120.01623720@teklab.com> References: <006f01bed463$3a3ed640$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Prime fodder for future uCSimm based projects: http://www.average.org/digicam/ j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 21:34:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10410 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:33:25 -0400 Message-ID: <3797C14D.B0BBC7A8@execpc.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:11:41 -0500 From: Rick Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm References: <4.1.19990722161417.01d2de20@teklab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Jay Vaughan wrote: > >I intend to use the uCsimm as a PDA and a mobile webserver. Using a > >320x240 LCD as std output device is fine, but how about the input > >device ? > >Some people might try using a HP48gx or a "real" PDA with a terminal > >emulator on it, which is a good idea to me too, but a small keyboard or > >even a touchscreen is much better (I think). > >Maybe there are some people who have a solution for this problem and > >want to share it with us. > > I was thinking the same thought this morning. > > I'm going to build a small d-pad (GameBoy type controller) for my GeekClock > project and just use the existing I/O lines on the uCSimm for it - giving > minimal menu/option selection abilities. I'd like to add a rotary wheel > encoder at some point, for fine-tuning parameter values. > > So I'd start off with something like this: > > 4-way (or maybe 8-way) D-pad (directional type) arrow controller. > 3 buttons > Rotary encoder with shift wheel. > > That's 7 (or 11) buttons, plus a rotary encorder for +/- values. Adequate > for my needs. Think "Game Boy" with an extra button, and a free-wheeling > knob that can be used to increment/decrement values. Have you seen the info on carrier I'm doing? It has an 8-bit aux micro to do all that miscellaneous I/O. It can also be used to read a touchscreen. The uCsimm boys will be listing it on their web page as soon as they wade through all the other stuff they have up in the air. The first production run of 100 will be ready at the same time as the simm itself. The micro runs as a SPI slave. The whole idea is to offload all the hard-core bit-banging from the host. I'm a hardware guy so writing the host side driver is a currently bit beyond my programming skill level. On the other hand I write tons of assembly for assorted 8-bit micros. So once we nail down a comm protocol between the two I'll write a slave side driver. See http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simm for the details on my carrier board. -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Thu Jul 22 22:02:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10474 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:02:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3797C8D8.8E7E7078@utdallas.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:43:52 -0500 From: Bob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm References: <379796E1.A525E562@T-Online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I have custom 6 button keypads made (up,down,left,right,menu,esc) and they do the job nicely, i plan on using the same keypads to interface the simm when we switch over to the new design. Here is a picture notice the keypad and the lcd, forget about the other stuff unless you want to buy one (c= http://www.tracetechnology.com/trace050pic.jpg Chris wrote: > > Hi, > > I intend to use the uCsimm as a PDA and a mobile webserver. Using a > 320x240 LCD as std output device is fine, but how about the input > device ? > Some people might try using a HP48gx or a "real" PDA with a terminal > emulator on it, which is a good idea to me too, but a small keyboard or > even a touchscreen is much better (I think). > Maybe there are some people who have a solution for this problem and > want to share it with us. > > Chris > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 00:04:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10716 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:04:09 -0400 Message-ID: <3797E49F.31DC7C18@execpc.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:42:24 -0500 From: Rick Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm References: <4.1.19990722161417.01d2de20@teklab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Jay Vaughan wrote: > Something I feel we're sorta lacking in this community right now is the > ability to design cases. I'd love to know what's involved in getting my > own case design done in whatever program I'd need, then vacuum formed for > use in my project, but I have no clue where to start. I just have concepts > in my head - what's involved in getting something that actually performs to > spec, can be reproduced by a plastics vacuum forming factory, etc? Bad news. A set of dies to shoot custom plastic runs about $50K USD. That doesn't include the design either, that's just to have the dies machined. The plastic itself may be next to free, but the machines that form it are pricey. So... unless your going to run thousands of them your best bet is to hack an existing case. I've been down this road before. Then there's plan B: There's a German firm that makes a whole line of "off the shelf" plastic enclosures aimed at the small run handheld instrument market. Some of them are quite nice and include LCD display cutouts, battery compartments, integrated keypads etc. I think that they'll even mill out custom connector holes for you. If you go this route all you need to do is spin a custom carrier board. The NRE for a PCB is only a few thousand dollars. Assume an NRE of $5K and a 100 unit board run, and your only talking $50 a unit in NRE, which isn't too bad. Now throw in $50 for the display, $175 for the uCsimm, $75 for the carrier PCB, and $50 for the case and you at $400 a unit. Not bad considering that custom plastic would have set you back $500/unit off the bat. I can't remember the company's name off hand, I'll look it up at work in the morning and get back to you. -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 00:15:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10745 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:15:43 -0400 Message-ID: <3797E755.6F336A6@execpc.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:53:58 -0500 From: Rick Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Firewire details. References: <4.1.19990722165430.01bdd4e0@teklab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Jay Vaughan wrote: > TI has a single chip solution for Firewire developers, mentioned here: > > http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?EET19990329S0029 > > It says that it interfaces to PCI or Cardbus - but I'm sure they've got > other bus types that can be supported on the uCSimm relatively simply, no? Not a chance. Dragonball is an order of magnitude too slow to keep up with the data rate of firewire anyways. USB, maybe. I haven't done any research into implementing a USB controller (hub). See http://www.cypress.com/usb/refdesign.html they have a ton of USB stuff. -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 00:32:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10783 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:32:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:15:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19990722231325.29a7080e@ionet.net> X-Sender: rgreen-92@ionet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Robert Green Subject: [uCsimm] LCD's Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hey everyone, This has been mentiond before. Will serial laptop lcds work with the simm? I have found a place that sells them for about 20$-30$, some are even backlit. Check out: www.digisys.net/timeline They also have other misc geek junk. Robert Green This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 00:47:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10813 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:47:14 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990722212321.015ca520@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:24:13 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: [uCsimm] Serial I/O to support Newton keyboard? In-Reply-To: References: <00a101bed310$21dfb8c0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I suppose I could use the Serial I/O port on the uCSimm to interface with the Newton mini-keyboard, which I've already hacked to use with my PalmPilot? Man, I'm really chomping at the bit to get my hands on the first uCSimm board! j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 02:16:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11033 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 02:16:19 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990722225252.015bda00@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:53:13 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Firewire details. In-Reply-To: <3797E755.6F336A6@execpc.com> References: <4.1.19990722165430.01bdd4e0@teklab.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Not a chance. Dragonball is an order of magnitude too slow to keep up with >the data rate >of firewire anyways. Gotcha. Oh well. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 03:50:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11220 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 03:49:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 03:45:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Jonas Bevren To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] Re: Cases (Input / Output devices for the uCsimm) In-Reply-To: <3797E49F.31DC7C18@execpc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Rick Farmer wrote: :Jay Vaughan wrote: : :> Something I feel we're sorta lacking in this community right now is the :> ability to design cases. I'd love to know what's involved in getting my :> own case design done in whatever program I'd need, then vacuum formed for :> use in my project, but I have no clue where to start. I just have concepts :> in my head - what's involved in getting something that actually performs to :> spec, can be reproduced by a plastics vacuum forming factory, etc? : : Bad news. A set of dies to shoot custom plastic runs about $50K USD. That doesn't :include the design either, that's just to have the dies machined. The plastic itself may :be next to free, but the machines that form it are pricey. So... unless your going to run :thousands of them your best bet is to hack an existing case. I've been down this road :before. : : Then there's plan B: There's a German firm that makes a whole line of "off the shelf" [snip] Wasnt there a firm that sold a vacuum forming system that used a reasonably heavy plastic, a shop vac, and a 110(220?)v heating plate? IIRC, it was a vacuum molding system, not a pressure/compression mold, but still.. -Jonas This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 04:50:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11342 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 04:49:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3798402F.FDE38B06@T-Online.de> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:13:03 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: uClinux Mailinglist Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 089852301-0001@t-online.de From: Christoph_Wunder@t-online.de (Chris) Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hi, I just found a good application note on connecting a PC keyboard to the I2C bus. I think this is a perfect thing for the uCsimm. http://www-us.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/applicationnotes/AN434.pdf When I get my first uCsimm the first thing I'll do is hacking a small device driver for this stuff. Is there anybody joining me ? Chris This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 06:52:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11553 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:51:11 -0400 Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA3D8@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.org'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] picture on lwn (was Confused) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:31:49 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns1.rt-control.com id GAA11551 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org have you more details on where's the picture on www.lwn.net ? Thanx JLB > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Michael Durrant [SMTP:mdurrant@uclinux.com] > Date: jeudi 22 juillet 1999 18:57 > À: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Objet: Re: [uCsimm] Confused > > > Patrick > > The uCsimm module (uC68EZ328) has Ethernet and magnetics on > board. The uCgardener kit has the RJ45, DB9, SIMM and Power > connectors as well as a prototyping area. Assembly is required > for this kit. So warm up your solder irons. > > With the uCsimm and uCgardener you will only need a wall cube > power supply, and cables to get started. The photo's on the www.lwn.net > site show the uCsimm being used run aplexiglas LCD display. > Just one the uCsimm's capabilities. The photos on our www.uclinux.com > site shows the uCsimm in an earlier prototype board simmilar to the > uCgardener. > > > -- > Michael > mdurrant@uclinux.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick West > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 12:39 PM > Subject: [uCsimm] Confused > > > > What exactly is this "gardener" host board? > > Why would I want it? > > I have a pilot and I want to get the ucsim, > > Does this come with ethernet? (from the picture I can't see) > > > > Patrick > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server > http://www.uClinux.org/simm > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 08:08:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11693 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:08:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199907231143.NAA13883@ns2.thmulti.com> From: Paugam Luc To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.org'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] picture on lwn (was Confused) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:47:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns1.rt-control.com id IAA11691 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > have you more details on where's the picture on www.lwn.net ? > Thanx > > JLB Look at: linux weekly news (Report on day 2 of Comdex Canada) ===> http://www.lwn.net/daily/linuxcanada/lwn2.html uClinux "uCsimm" Microcontroller Module ===> http://www.lwn.net/daily/linuxcanada/uclinux1.jpg uClinux "uCsimm" connected to a LCD display ===> http://www.lwn.net/daily/linuxcanada/uclinux2.jpg Luc > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De: Michael Durrant [SMTP:mdurrant@uclinux.com] > > Date: jeudi 22 juillet 1999 18:57 > > À: ucsimm@uClinux.org > > Objet: Re: [uCsimm] Confused > > > > > > Patrick > > > > The uCsimm module (uC68EZ328) has Ethernet and magnetics on > > board. The uCgardener kit has the RJ45, DB9, SIMM and Power > > connectors as well as a prototyping area. Assembly is required > > for this kit. So warm up your solder irons. > > > > With the uCsimm and uCgardener you will only need a wall cube > > power supply, and cables to get started. The photo's on the www.lwn.net > > site show the uCsimm being used run aplexiglas LCD display. > > Just one the uCsimm's capabilities. The photos on our www.uclinux.com > > site shows the uCsimm in an earlier prototype board simmilar to the > > uCgardener. > > > > > > -- > > Michael > > mdurrant@uclinux.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Patrick West > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 12:39 PM > > Subject: [uCsimm] Confused > > > > > > > What exactly is this "gardener" host board? > > > Why would I want it? > > > I have a pilot and I want to get the ucsim, > > > Does this come with ethernet? (from the picture I can't see) > > > > > > Patrick > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server > > http://www.uClinux.org/simm > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server > http://www.uClinux.org/simm > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server > http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 08:13:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11702 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:13:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:41:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Uwe Hahn X-Sender: uwe@panacea.hahnnet.de To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] Schematics Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Hi, are the schematics of the uCSimm included in the package?! Cheers, Uwe This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 09:06:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11809 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:05:38 -0400 Message-ID: <379871DE.96DCD169@pop.uky.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:45:02 -0500 From: Bret Losch Organization: UK CSL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm References: <379796E1.A525E562@T-Online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Chris, Have you looked at the Twiddler? (http://www.handykey.com/) It is a 1-handed serial keyboard with built-in mouse designed primarily for wearables. They provide linux drivers for it (both keyboard and mouse). Bret Chris wrote: > > Hi, > > I intend to use the uCsimm as a PDA and a mobile webserver. Using a > 320x240 LCD as std output device is fine, but how about the input > device ? > Some people might try using a HP48gx or a "real" PDA with a terminal > emulator on it, which is a good idea to me too, but a small keyboard or > even a touchscreen is much better (I think). > Maybe there are some people who have a solution for this problem and > want to share it with us. > > Chris > -- "Before you think UNIX is family-oriented, note that all children must die." - from Cross-Platform Perl by Eric Foster-Johnson This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 09:57:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11956 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:56:23 -0400 From: "David Siebert" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:43:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3797C14D.B0BBC7A8@execpc.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I have started to work on project that is very similar. I was going to use a PIC to interface to 32 digital io devices, an ATA PCMCIA card, IRDA, and USB. It would also act as a power manager. The difference is I was going to use I2C since there is already a Linux device driver for it. > Have you seen the info on carrier I'm doing? It has an 8-bit aux micro to do all that >miscellaneous I/O. It can also be used to read a touchscreen. The uCsimm boys will be >listing it on their web page as soon as they wade through all the other stuff they have >up in the air. The first production run of 100 will be ready at the same time as the simm >itself. > The micro runs as a SPI slave. The whole idea is to offload all the hard-core >bit-banging from the host. I'm a hardware guy so writing the host side driver is a >currently bit beyond my programming skill level. On the other hand I write tons of >assembly for assorted 8-bit micros. So once we nail down a comm protocol between the two >I'll write a slave side driver. See http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simm for the details on my carrier board. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 10:24:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12015 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:24:31 -0400 Message-ID: <003f01bed516$be85f740$1103010a@t1.com> From: "Nathan Price" To: References: <4.1.19990722161417.01d2de20@teklab.com> <3797C14D.B0BBC7A8@execpc.com> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:22:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org The plans look very exciting. I can't wait to get one. Do you plan to make and sale it? If so, how much do you think it will run? Thanks, Nathan Price ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Farmer To: Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm > Jay Vaughan wrote: > > > >I intend to use the uCsimm as a PDA and a mobile webserver. Using a > > >320x240 LCD as std output device is fine, but how about the input > > >device ? > > >Some people might try using a HP48gx or a "real" PDA with a terminal > > >emulator on it, which is a good idea to me too, but a small keyboard or > > >even a touchscreen is much better (I think). > > >Maybe there are some people who have a solution for this problem and > > >want to share it with us. > > > > I was thinking the same thought this morning. > > > > I'm going to build a small d-pad (GameBoy type controller) for my GeekClock > > project and just use the existing I/O lines on the uCSimm for it - giving > > minimal menu/option selection abilities. I'd like to add a rotary wheel > > encoder at some point, for fine-tuning parameter values. > > > > So I'd start off with something like this: > > > > 4-way (or maybe 8-way) D-pad (directional type) arrow controller. > > 3 buttons > > Rotary encoder with shift wheel. > > > > That's 7 (or 11) buttons, plus a rotary encorder for +/- values. Adequate > > for my needs. Think "Game Boy" with an extra button, and a free-wheeling > > knob that can be used to increment/decrement values. > > Have you seen the info on carrier I'm doing? It has an 8-bit aux micro to do all that > miscellaneous I/O. It can also be used to read a touchscreen. The uCsimm boys will be > listing it on their web page as soon as they wade through all the other stuff they have > up in the air. The first production run of 100 will be ready at the same time as the simm > itself. > > The micro runs as a SPI slave. The whole idea is to offload all the hard-core > bit-banging from the host. I'm a hardware guy so writing the host side driver is a > currently bit beyond my programming skill level. On the other hand I write tons of > assembly for assorted 8-bit micros. So once we nail down a comm protocol between the two > I'll write a slave side driver. > > See http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simm for the details on my carrier board. > > -- > Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 > Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 > rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 11:15:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12121 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:15:09 -0400 Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA3D9@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.org'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] picture on lwn (was Confused) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:55:45 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns1.rt-control.com id LAA12119 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org thanks Luc. Jean-Luc > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Paugam Luc [SMTP:PAUGAML@thmulti.com] > Date: vendredi 23 juillet 1999 13:47 > À: 'ucsimm@uClinux.org' > Objet: RE: [uCsimm] picture on lwn (was Confused) > > > > > have you more details on where's the picture on www.lwn.net ? > > Thanx > > > > JLB > > Look at: > > linux weekly news (Report on day 2 of Comdex Canada) ===> > http://www.lwn.net/daily/linuxcanada/lwn2.html > uClinux "uCsimm" Microcontroller Module ===> > http://www.lwn.net/daily/linuxcanada/uclinux1.jpg > uClinux "uCsimm" connected to a LCD display ===> > http://www.lwn.net/daily/linuxcanada/uclinux2.jpg > > Luc > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 11:23:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12142 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:23:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:03:03 -0400 From: John Mitchell To: uClinux Mailinglist Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm In-Reply-To: <3798402F.FDE38B06@T-Online.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Chris wrote: > I just found a good application note on connecting a PC keyboard to > the I2C bus. I think this is a perfect thing for the uCsimm. > > http://www-us.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/applicationnotes/AN434.pdf > > When I get my first uCsimm the first thing I'll do is hacking a small > device driver for this stuff. Is there anybody joining me ? FYI: there's I2C device drivers for Linux, at: http://www.schwaben.de/home/zickner/linux/index.html I2C inside another package ("lm_sensors"): http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/download.html Havent found a "real" driver yet, just these and a few more one-offs. Anyone find/write a better one, please post! - j This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 12:26:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12259 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:25:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199907231605.JAA02701@mail1-1.bctel.ca> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:05:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Ralph_Giles@sfu.ca Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Re: Cases (Input / Output devices for the uCsimm) To: ucsimm@uClinux.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On 23 Jul, Jonas Bevren wrote: > : Then there's plan B: There's a German firm that makes a whole line of "off the shelf" > [snip] > > Wasnt there a firm that sold a vacuum forming system that used a reasonably > heavy plastic, a shop vac, and a 110(220?)v heating plate? IIRC, it was a > vacuum molding system, not a pressure/compression mold, but still.. Those interested in cases might want to check out the stormtrooper costume howto at the site below. It describes how to make a vacuumforming table using your kitchen oven and a "shop vac". I don't know how well it would work for something as detailed as a handheld case, though. http://www.studiocreations.com/howto/ Cheers, -ralph -- Ralph_Giles@sfu.ca This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 12:26:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12268 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:26:29 -0400 Message-ID: <008301bed527$c71474c0$1103010a@t1.com> From: "Nathan Price" To: References: Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:23:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Do you have any information posted about your project? Nathan Price ----- Original Message ----- From: David Siebert To: Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 8:43 AM Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm > I have started to work on project that is very similar. I was going to use a > PIC to interface to 32 digital io devices, an ATA PCMCIA card, IRDA, and > USB. It would also act as a power manager. The difference is I was going to > use I2C since there is already a Linux device driver for it. > > > Have you seen the info on carrier I'm doing? It has an 8-bit aux micro to > do all that > >miscellaneous I/O. It can also be used to read a touchscreen. The uCsimm > boys will be > >listing it on their web page as soon as they wade through all the other > stuff they have > >up in the air. The first production run of 100 will be ready at the same > time as the simm > >itself. > > > The micro runs as a SPI slave. The whole idea is to offload all the > hard-core > >bit-banging from the host. I'm a hardware guy so writing the host side > driver is a > >currently bit beyond my programming skill level. On the other hand I write > tons of > >assembly for assorted 8-bit micros. So once we nail down a comm protocol > between the two > >I'll write a slave side driver. > > See http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simm for the details on my carrier board. > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 17:05:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12911 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:04:09 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990723134053.01d04590@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:41:06 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm In-Reply-To: <3798402F.FDE38B06@T-Online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org At 10:13 AM 7/23/99 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, >I just found a good application note on connecting a PC keyboard to the >I2C bus. >I think this is a perfect thing for the uCsimm. >http://www-us.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/applicationnotes/AN434.pdf > >When I get my first uCsimm the first thing I'll do is hacking a small >device driver for this stuff. >Is there anybody joining me ? > Chris Yep, me! I'll gladly assist as needed. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 17:06:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12920 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:06:53 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990723134335.01c48a00@teklab.com> X-Sender: jay@teklab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:43:48 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Re: Cases (Input / Output devices for the uCsimm) In-Reply-To: <199907231605.JAA02701@mail1-1.bctel.ca> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org >Those interested in cases might want to check out the stormtrooper >costume howto at the site below. It describes how to make a >vacuumforming table using your kitchen oven and a "shop vac". I don't >know how well it would work for something as detailed as a handheld >case, though. >http://www.studiocreations.com/howto/ >Cheers, > -ralph Hah! LOL! This is *brilliant*. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com { Q:[8008] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor] } Music Technology Forums: http://www.teklab.com/forums/ ** A3k Sample Library: http://www.samplelibrary.net/ ** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 19:15:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13171 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:13:31 -0400 From: Donald Jeff Dionne Message-Id: <199907232242.WAA01700@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Schematics To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:42:15 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Uwe Hahn" at Jul 23, 99 01:41:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > > Hi, > > are the schematics of the uCSimm included in the package?! Absolutely! > > Cheers, > > Uwe > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > -- Cheers, Jeff / VE3DJF Jeff@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca http://www.cgocable.net/~jdionne Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. ... This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 19:22:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13207 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:21:08 -0400 From: "David Siebert" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:07:53 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <008301bed527$c71474c0$1103010a@t1.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Actually no. It is the early design stage and I hope it will be a commercial product. I don't want my compatition to et wind of what I am doing. I just hope they are not already on this mailing list. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org]On Behalf Of Nathan Price Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 12:24 PM To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm Do you have any information posted about your project? Nathan Price ----- Original Message ----- From: David Siebert To: Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 8:43 AM Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm > I have started to work on project that is very similar. I was going to use a > PIC to interface to 32 digital io devices, an ATA PCMCIA card, IRDA, and > USB. It would also act as a power manager. The difference is I was going to > use I2C since there is already a Linux device driver for it. > > > Have you seen the info on carrier I'm doing? It has an 8-bit aux micro to > do all that > >miscellaneous I/O. It can also be used to read a touchscreen. The uCsimm > boys will be > >listing it on their web page as soon as they wade through all the other > stuff they have > >up in the air. The first production run of 100 will be ready at the same > time as the simm > >itself. > > > The micro runs as a SPI slave. The whole idea is to offload all the > hard-core > >bit-banging from the host. I'm a hardware guy so writing the host side > driver is a > >currently bit beyond my programming skill level. On the other hand I write > tons of > >assembly for assorted 8-bit micros. So once we nail down a comm protocol > between the two > >I'll write a slave side driver. > > See http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/simm for the details on my carrier board. > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 23:56:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13688 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 23:52:00 -0400 Message-ID: <37993345.16E990@execpc.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:30:13 -0500 From: Rick Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org David Siebert wrote: > I have started to work on project that is very similar. I was going to use a > PIC to interface to 32 digital io devices, an ATA PCMCIA card, IRDA, and > USB. It would also act as a power manager. The difference is I was going to > use I2C since there is already a Linux device driver for it. You can use I2C, the aux uC supports it in hardware. You'll have to tack on the 2 pull up resistors in the prototype area, but that shouldn't be a big deal. It's just that I didn't think anyone would *want* to use I2C because of the overhead involved. I personally prefer I2C over SPI because it swaps meaningful packets vs simples bytes. I have some I2C packet swapping code for the PIC in native assembly from an old project. I'll clean it up, remove all the non-appilcable stuff, turn it into a well documented piece of boiler plate code, and release it if there is enough interest. -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Fri Jul 23 23:58:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13697 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 23:56:55 -0400 Message-ID: <3799346D.9F016D9@execpc.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:35:09 -0500 From: Rick Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm References: <4.1.19990722161417.01d2de20@teklab.com> <3797C14D.B0BBC7A8@execpc.com> <003f01bed516$be85f740$1103010a@t1.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Nathan Price wrote: > The plans look very exciting. I can't wait to get one. Do you plan to make > and sale it? If so, how much do you think it will run? The uCsimm guys ordered 100. They'll be selling them on their web site for about $50. They will be ready at the same time as the uCsimm. -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sat Jul 24 06:53:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14379 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 06:52:09 -0400 Message-ID: <92eabc5a-c141-d311-bce5-00001b22ba2a@softsys.co.at> From: Erwin Authried Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:28:58 +0200 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm Organization: Softwareentwicklung und Systemdesign Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mail4u Version 1.3.02 beta (http://www.mail4u.home.at) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Samstag, 24. Juli 1999 05:30, owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org wrote: > David Siebert wrote: > > > I have started to work on project that is very similar. I was going to use a > > PIC to interface to 32 digital io devices, an ATA PCMCIA card, IRDA, and > > USB. It would also act as a power manager. The difference is I was going to > > use I2C since there is already a Linux device driver for it. > > You can use I2C, the aux uC supports it in hardware. You'll have to tack on the 2 pull > up resistors in the prototype area, but that shouldn't be a big deal. It's just that I > didn't think anyone would *want* to use I2C because of the overhead involved. > > I personally prefer I2C over SPI because it swaps meaningful packets vs simples bytes. I > have some I2C packet swapping code for the PIC in native assembly from an old project. > I'll clean it up, remove all the non-appilcable stuff, turn it into a well documented > piece of boiler plate code, and release it if there is enough interest. > I believe there is one big advantage of I2C over SPI, especially if the slave side is implemented by software: SPI doesn't have any kind of flow control, so that the slave must be able to accept the bytes at the speed of the master's clock. There are nice FAQ's on I2C, and if you don't need multiple masters, it doesn't seem to be really complicated. -Erwin -- mail4u Version 1.3.02 beta (http://www.mail4u.home.at), registered for Softwareentwicklung und Systemdesign This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sat Jul 24 12:16:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14869 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:15:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3799E176.DC4B904F@execpc.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:53:27 -0500 From: Rick Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] cases Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org I could find the literature that I was looking for but there are a couple of links to start you off. http://www.hammondmfg.com/scpg.htm http://trade.tradewinners.com/hosts/gainta/html/p11.htm -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sat Jul 24 15:41:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15183 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:40:43 -0400 Message-ID: <001601bed609$dc1eac40$0800005a@bellsouth.net> From: "Will" To: References: <3799E176.DC4B904F@execpc.com> Subject: [uCsimm] Ehternet question Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:22:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Is the uCsimm powerful enough to use as an ethernet diagnostics tool? Specifically, could the ethernet module run in promiscuous mode and collect network statistics or even monitor packets sent from other hosts on the network? -w This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sun Jul 25 17:02:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17665 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:56:26 -0400 Message-ID: <19990725203605.66684.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.156.245.69] From: "Mert INCEIPLIK" To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:36:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Chris, you'd better check this url. they have a cool kbd which can fit inside your pocket. (but you may find the price high for a kbd.) www.davinciworld.com mert, >From: Christoph_Wunder@t-online.de (Chris) >Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org >To: uClinux Mailinglist >Subject: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm >Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:10:41 +0000 > >Hi, > >I intend to use the uCsimm as a PDA and a mobile webserver. Using a >320x240 LCD as std output device is fine, but how about the input >device ? >Some people might try using a HP48gx or a "real" PDA with a terminal >emulator on it, which is a good idea to me too, but a small keyboard or >even a touchscreen is much better (I think). >Maybe there are some people who have a solution for this problem and >want to share it with us. > > Chris > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server >http://www.uClinux.org/simm > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sun Jul 25 17:49:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17781 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 17:47:42 -0400 Message-ID: <003d01bed6e4$cf7e48c0$0401a8c0@localnet> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: References: <3786903B.12843192@execpc.com> Subject: [uCsimm] I2C driver Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:29:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01BED6F5.92D4BE20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BED6F5.92D4BE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello I have attached to this message the I2C driver that we did in course for the 68332 uC Good luck Stephane Magnenat P.S. If you use it on the uCSimm or uCLinux please specify the copyright included in the file. Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BED6F5.92D4BE20 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="ri2c331.a" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ri2c331.a" TTL I2C331_a XDEF _Startup ; Programme de gestion du Bus I2C ; LAMI-EPFL 11/05/99 ; Adresses Mem, I/O MUBUS EQU -$8000 Stack EQU $210000 ; D=E9finitions PortF PFPAR EQU $FFFFFA1F ; Mode d'utilisation (0:Port, 1: IRQ) DDRF EQU $FFFFFA1D ; Direction (0:entr=E9e, 1: sortie) PortF EQU $FFFFFA19 ; Donn=E9e ; Bits I2C sur PortF bSCL EQU 1 ; Clock bSDA EQU 2 ; Data ; MACRO pour ce faciliter la vie... ; NomMACRO: MACRO ; .. ; ENDM SCLL: MACRO bSet.b #bSCL,DDRF ; Sortie -> met SCL "L" ENDM SCLH: MACRO bClr.b #bSCL,DDRF ; Entr=E9e -> met SCL "Z" -> "H" ENDM SDAL: MACRO bSet.b #bSDA,DDRF ; Sortie -> met SDA "L" ENDM SDAH: MACRO bClr.b #bSDA,DDRF ; Entr=E9e -> met SDA "Z" -> "H" ENDM WAIT4US: MACRO NOP NOP NOP NOP NOP NOP NOP NOP ENDM ;=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ; Programme Principal ; Une boucle qui n'arr=EAte pas ;=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D _Startup: MOVE.L #Stack,SP ; Initialise le Stack pointer bsr IniI2C ; Initialise Port pour I2C Loop: Move.b MUBUS,D0 Move.b #$40,D1 ; Adresse circuit en =E9criture Bsr SendByte Move.b #$41,D1 ; Adresse ave mode de lecture Bsr GetByte Move.b D0,MUBUS BRA Loop ;-------\ ; IniI2C > ;-------/ ; Initialise le Port F por I2C ; Mode type Collecteur ouvert ; In: - ; Out: - ; Mod: - ; ; Remarque : (1< ;---------/ ; Envoi d'un start bit ; In: - ; Out: - ; Mod: - SndStart: SDAL Wait4US SCLL RTS ;---------\ ; SndStart > ;---------/ ; Envoi d'un stop bit ; In: - ; Out: - ; Mod: - SndStop: SDAL SCLH Wait4US SDAH RTS ;--------\ ; SendBit > ;--------/ ; Envoi d'un bit ; In: D0: valeur =E0 envoyer sur bit 0 ; Out: - ; Mod: - SendBit: bTst.L #0,D0 BNE sn1 ; envoi 0 SDAL Bra FSndBit sn1: ; envoi 1 SDAH FSndBit: SCLH Wait4US SCLL RTS ;--------\ ; GetBit > ;--------/ ; R=E9ception d'un bit ; In: - ; Out: D0: valeur re=E7ue sur bit 0 (autres bits pas modifi=E9s ; Mod: - GetBit: SDAH SCLH Wait4US bTst.b #bSDA,PortF BEQ gt0 bSet.l #0,D0 SCLL RTS gt0: bClr.l #0,D0 SCLL RTS ;---------\ ; SendByte > ;---------/ ; Envoi d'un octet ; In: D0.b valeur =E0 envoyer ; D1.b adresse circuit ; Out: - ; Mod: - SendByte: Bsr SndStart EXG.l D0,D1 Bsr SndI2C ; Envoi adresse EXG.l D0,D1 Bsr SndI2C ; Envoi data Bsr SndStop RTS ;--------\ ; GetByte > ;--------/ ; R=E9ception d'un octet ; In: D1.b Adresse circuit ; Out: D0.b valeur re=E7ue ; Mod: - GetByte: Bsr SndStart EXG D0,D1 Bsr SndI2C ; Envoi adresse EXG D0,D1 Bsr RcvI2C ; Re=E7oit data Bsr SndStop RTS ;---------\ ; SndI2C > ;---------/ ; Envoi d'un octet ; In: D0.b valeur =E0 envoyer ; Out: - ; Mod: - SndI2C: Movem.l D2,-(a7) Move.W #8-1,D2 LS: ROL.b #1,D0 Bsr SendBit ; Envoi bit =E0 bit DBF D2,LS SCLH Wait4US ; Ack puls, Ack pas tenu comptee SCLL Movem.l (A7)+,D2 RTS ;---------\ ; RcvI2C > ;---------/ ; R=E9ception d'un octet ; In: - ; Out: D0.b valeur re=E7ue ; Mod: - RcvI2C: Movem.l D2,-(a7) Move.W #8-1,D2 LR: ROL.b #1,D0 Bsr GetBit ; Envoi bit =E0 bit DBF D2,LR SCLH Wait4US ; Ack pulse SCLL Movem.l (A7)+,D2 RTS END ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BED6F5.92D4BE20-- This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sun Jul 25 18:06:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17813 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 18:04:19 -0400 Message-ID: <379B8522.FB4B04DE@T-Online.de> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:44:02 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org, Mert INCEIPLIK Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm References: <19990725203605.66684.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 089852301-0001@t-online.de From: Christoph_Wunder@t-online.de (Chris) Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Mert INCEIPLIK wrote: > Chris, you'd better check this url. they have a cool kbd which can fit > inside your pocket. (but you may find the price high for a kbd.) > www.davinciworld.com > > mert, > > >From: Christoph_Wunder@t-online.de (Chris) > >Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > >To: uClinux Mailinglist > >Subject: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm > >Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:10:41 +0000 > > > >Hi, > > > >I intend to use the uCsimm as a PDA and a mobile webserver. Using a > >320x240 LCD as std output device is fine, but how about the input > >device ? > >Some people might try using a HP48gx or a "real" PDA with a terminal > >emulator on it, which is a good idea to me too, but a small keyboard or > >even a touchscreen is much better (I think). > >Maybe there are some people who have a solution for this problem and > >want to share it with us. > > > > Chris > > > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server > >http://www.uClinux.org/simm > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm Hi, This kbd from daVinci is very nice, but what interface is it using ? Chris This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Sun Jul 25 21:09:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18170 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:08:43 -0400 From: bsapot@gundaker.com Message-ID: <379BB00A.BF3D07DA@gundaker.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:47:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: [uCsimm] Newbie question. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Please excuse my ignorance.... I have no idea of how to go about this. Pointers to information or anything else would be helpfull. But what would it take to add a second serial port to the ucsimm? Thank YOu Bryan This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 26 10:59:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19621 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:56:27 -0400 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] uclinux easy question References: <199907202042.UAA28387@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Organization: MAYA Design Group From: Jeff Senn Date: 26 Jul 1999 10:36:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: Donald Jeff Dionne's message of "Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:42:03 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.3.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Donald Jeff Dionne writes: > > how fast does the thing boot, from power-on to login: prompt? > > 4 seconds. Pretty good! > > (My P2/350 128M Win95 box clocks in at ~3 mins, including a couple clicks; > > grrrrr. The PalmV boots in, oh, an eyeblink, but porn looks terrible on > > it :) ) Hm -- do you really mean "boot" or do you mean whatever happens when you hit the little-green-button? (Which BTW is the equivalent of starting an application, not a bootstrap). The Palm only really "boots" after you hit the reset button and mine (a 2Meg - III) takes about 10 seconds!!!! (I'm disgusted....) -- -Jas ----------------------------------------------------------- / / | / \ / /| Jeff Senn 412-488-2900 voice MAYA Design Group /|/| |-/ o | /-| Chief Technologist 412-488-2940 fax 2100 Wharton Street / | | |/ |/ | Head of R&D senn@maya.com Pittsburgh, PA 15203 Taming Complexity http://www.maya.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 26 11:15:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19674 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:15:15 -0400 Message-ID: <46a3c34f-4243-d311-bce5-00001b22ba2a@softsys.co.at> From: Erwin Authried Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:52:26 +0200 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm Organization: Softwareentwicklung und Systemdesign Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mail4u Version 1.3.02 beta (http://www.mail4u.home.at) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Freitag, 23. Juli 1999 17:03, John Mitchell wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Chris wrote: > > > I just found a good application note on connecting a PC keyboard to > > the I2C bus. I think this is a perfect thing for the uCsimm. > > > > http://www-us.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/applicationnotes/AN434.pdf > > > > When I get my first uCsimm the first thing I'll do is hacking a small > > device driver for this stuff. Is there anybody joining me ? > > FYI: there's I2C device drivers for Linux, at: > http://www.schwaben.de/home/zickner/linux/index.html > > I2C inside another package ("lm_sensors"): > http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/download.html > > > Havent found a "real" driver yet, just these and a few more one-offs. > Anyone find/write a better one, please post! > What about this one? -Erwin Title: I2C-Bus driver for Linux Version: 0.3 Entered-date:21NOV96 Description: The I2C-bus is a synchronous 2-line bus originally developped by Philips. It is mainly used in consumer electronics, as well as microcontroller applications. This package provides documentation on the bus, a kernel driver (module). Some sample projects, incl. adapter, like a videotext decoder are presented. Keywords: I2C-Bus i2c iic Author: Simon G. Vogl Maintained-by: Simon G. Vogl Primary-site: ftp.tk.uni-linz.ac.at /pub/simon/i2c 252298 i2c-0.3.tar.gz Alternate-site: Original-site: --- Copying-policy: GPL -- mail4u Version 1.3.02 beta (http://www.mail4u.home.at), registered for Softwareentwicklung und Systemdesign This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 26 13:47:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20011 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:46:45 -0400 Message-ID: <379C9B66.5B0C460@pond.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:31:18 -0700 From: "Mahmut C. Genceli" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Newbie question. References: <379BB00A.BF3D07DA@gundaker.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Max3100 from MAXIM on an SPI bus would work. http://209.1.238.250/arpdf/1731.pdf bsapot@gundaker.com wrote: > Please excuse my ignorance.... > I have no idea of how to go about this. Pointers to information or > anything else would be helpfull. > > But what would it take to add a second serial port to > the ucsimm? > > Thank YOu > Bryan > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 26 14:19:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20100 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:19:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:58:52 -0400 From: John Mitchell To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] uclinux easy question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On 26 Jul 1999, Jeff Senn wrote: > > > (My P2/350 128M Win95 box clocks in at ~3 mins, including a couple clicks; > > > grrrrr. The PalmV boots in, oh, an eyeblink, but porn looks terrible on > > > it :) ) > > Hm -- do you really mean "boot" or do you mean whatever happens when > you hit the little-green-button? (Which BTW is the equivalent of > starting an application, not a bootstrap). The Palm only really > "boots" after you hit the reset button and mine (a 2Meg - III) takes > about 10 seconds!!!! (I'm disgusted....) "boot", as in "get it to do something I want". My 95 box puts out a bunch of heat, so it's mostly off. The Palm I only cold-boot (= "reset") every 2-3 weeks or so, so for me boot = "turn it on", < 1/10th sec. Four seconds for ucSimm aint bad. I wonder how long it would last in "standby" mode... - j This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Mon Jul 26 16:26:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20322 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:24:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:38:54 +0200 (MET DST) From: Erik Rossen X-Sender: rossen@desktop.rossen.ch To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm In-Reply-To: <3797E49F.31DC7C18@execpc.com> Message-ID: Organisation: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Rick Farmer wrote: > Jay Vaughan wrote: > > Something I feel we're sorta lacking in this community right now is the > > ability to design cases. I'd love to know what's involved in getting my > > own case design done in whatever program I'd need, then vacuum formed for > > use in my project, but I have no clue where to start. I just have concepts > > in my head - what's involved in getting something that actually performs to > > spec, can be reproduced by a plastics vacuum forming factory, etc? > > Bad news. A set of dies to shoot custom plastic runs about $50K USD. That doesn't The price depends on where you go. Try looking in a technical school near you for a better deal. I've been quoted Sfr8000 (~US$6000) to do a mold for a fairly simple 10cm box by a group at the EPFL doing research on rapid prototyping techniques. The prof said he could use my project as an exercise for his students. :-) They make the rough molds using laser-fused metal powders (keywords: STL, LSL, laser stereo-lithography), which are then polished by machine and by hand. > Then there's plan B: There's a German firm that makes a whole line of "off the shelf" > plastic enclosures aimed at the small run handheld instrument market. Some of them are There is also a plan C if you want to try your own groovy ergonomic shapes for your home-made PDA: form the case using proto-typing plastic (or wood flour or plasticine or clay or whatever) by hand. A local department store (Migros) here in Switzerland sells a universal plastic that becomes soft at 70°C, allowing you to form it by hand. It's more expensive than normal plastic (Sfr20 for a 200g bag of pellets?), but a PDA doesn't need much. (Try reading "The Mote in God's Eye" by Larry Niven for a description of how Motie engineers used plastic like this.) Try looking at the ads in model-making magazines for more ideas. I realise that this is not exactly the best plan for mass production (unless you want to sell unique, hand-crafted PDAs from Bangladesh or Paris), but it is certainly good enough for personal use or if you want to try many designs. The uCsimm is so small and low power that you probably don't have to worry about heat dissappation, fire hazard, or EM interference. -- Erik Rossen ^ rossen@freesurf.ch /e\ http://www.multimania.com/rossen --- This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Tue Jul 27 12:02:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22673 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:56:00 -0400 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] uclinux easy question References: Organization: MAYA Design Group From: Jeff Senn Date: 27 Jul 1999 10:38:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: John Mitchell's message of "Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:58:52 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 37 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.3.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org John Mitchell writes: > > Hm -- do you really mean "boot" or do you mean whatever happens when > > you hit the little-green-button? (Which BTW is the equivalent of > > starting an application, not a bootstrap). The Palm only really > > "boots" after you hit the reset button and mine (a 2Meg - III) takes > > about 10 seconds!!!! (I'm disgusted....) > > "boot", as in "get it to do something I want". My 95 box puts out a bunch > of heat, so it's mostly off. The Palm I only cold-boot (= "reset") every > 2-3 weeks or so, so for me boot = "turn it on", < 1/10th sec. > > Four seconds for ucSimm aint bad. I wonder how long it would last in > "standby" mode... Well...I would say 4 seconds is "okay" (although I'm definitely interested in the "how long on standby"?). I'm generally appaulled at the startup performance of modern OS... There is a story about Steve Jobs forcing the early Mac developers to trim precious seconds off the boot time... the argument being that the difficult tens of developer hours would be more than paid for by the thousands of aggregate hours saved by folks not having to watch that insipid little smiley face. Suppose I want to control my microwave ... then 4 seconds is "barely acceptable" -- now maybe you would argue that I should arrange for it to pre-boot and sit in standby (probably I should) -- and perhaps Linux is even stable enough to make this possible...(imagine trying that with, say, Windows...) I would like to see Linux & uCsimm make a place in the embedded world -- I just hope it stays "svelt" enough... -- -Jas This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 28 01:13:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24424 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 01:11:04 -0400 Message-ID: <024f01bed8b4$eb1223a0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: <005601bec77f$ba5a32c0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Subject: [uCsimm] July 28, 1999 Status report Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:51:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Our last update/status report was posted on July 5th I think. So I best update the list with the latest goings on. uCsimm status =========== On July 5 Michael wrote: > We hope that we will have everything back from the board house > in five (5) weeks assembled tested and ready to ship. Unless ... Ok the unless just hit us! Before Jeff and I left to attend and speak at the Ottawa Linux Symposium our fabrication house called and informed us that they will be going on a summer shut down for two weeks. Now I though that was no biggy until yesterday we received confirmation from our parts suppliers that the Processor just flipped from available in stock to 6-8 weeks! Ouch! I will update the list when I have confirmation on parts delivery. uCfarmer Board ============ > The current web page does not have Rick Farmers host board as an > option. We will be adding it in the next two weeks (with his permission). I am sorry about not adding Rick's board yet. We had some import/export tarrif and NAFTA issues to settle before we posted Rick's neat board. The board will list on our web page for $60 USD. Next uCsimm to have 4Mb ram? ========================= A future change to our web site in the next month will be the possible addition of a second uCsimm board model uC68EZ328-4. This board will have 4Mb of FLASH the selling price is still not final however I assume that it may list between $195 USD and $205 USD. I will post an update on this new model when we have updated information. uClinux / uCsimm presentation at the Ottawa Linux Symposium ================================================ The Ottawa Linux Symposium was a great success. Jeff and I accepted an offer to speak at the Symposium and had a great time showing off the uCsimm and talking about Jeff's original port of uClinux Jan/Feb 1998 and later to the 68EZ328 and the uCsimm. Over 550 people registered and attended the conference. Jeff and I enjoyed talking to the attendees as well as the other guest speaker. Allan Cox gave the key note address on the last day and was well received by all and honoured with a standing ovation. Like COMDEX we met a number of people from this list and appreciated meeting and talking to everyone. Regards, Michael mdurrant@uclinux.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 28 04:01:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24712 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:00:57 -0400 From: Doug Organization: The Cats Net To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] July 28, 1999 Status report Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:34:04 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: <024f01bed8b4$eb1223a0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99072800363203.00759@choices> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Michael, Thanks for the status report. I was wondering ... are any of you guys going to be at the Linuxworld conference in San Jose (aug 9-12)? I live just outside of San Jose and am pretty psyched about this conference. Hope to see some of you guys down there. Doug This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 28 05:37:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24919 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 05:36:54 -0400 From: Lincoln Spiteri Organization: STMicroelectronics To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] July 28, 1999 Status report Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:45:40 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.20] Content-Type: text/plain References: <024f01bed8b4$eb1223a0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99072808483200.10784@voltaire.kir.st.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, you wrote: > Now > I though that was no biggy until yesterday we received confirmation > from our parts suppliers that the Processor just flipped from available > in stock to 6-8 weeks! Ouch! > > I will update the list when I have confirmation on parts delivery. > Does that mean that you expect tol ship in late September early October? Thanks Lincoln -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lincoln Spiteri Manufacturing Systems STMicroelectronics, Malta e-mail: lincoln.spiteri@st.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 28 06:33:51 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA25015 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 06:33:17 -0400 Message-ID: <379ED6EA.4FDA77F2@icehouse.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 03:09:46 -0700 From: Rick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Input / Output devices for the uCsimm References: <4.1.19990722161417.01d2de20@teklab.com> <3797E49F.31DC7C18@execpc.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org  

Rick Farmer wrote:

Jay Vaughan wrote:

> Something I feel we're sorta lacking in this community right now is the
> ability to design cases.  I'd love to know what's involved in getting my
> own case design done in whatever program I'd need, then vacuum formed for
> use in my project, but I have no clue where to start.  I just have concepts
> in my head - what's involved in getting something that actually performs to
> spec, can be reproduced by a plastics vacuum forming factory, etc?

 Bad news. A set of dies to shoot custom plastic runs about $50K USD. That doesn't
include the design either, that's just to have the dies machined. The plastic itself may
be next to free, but the machines that form it are pricey. So... unless your going to run
thousands of them your best bet is to hack an existing case. I've been down this road
before.

 Then there's plan B: There's a German firm that makes a whole line of "off the shelf"
plastic enclosures aimed at the small run handheld instrument market. Some of them are
quite nice and include LCD display cutouts, battery compartments, integrated keypads etc.
I think that they'll even mill out custom connector holes for you. If you go this route
all you need to do is spin a custom carrier board. The NRE for a PCB is only a few
thousand dollars. Assume an NRE of $5K and a 100 unit board run, and your only talking
$50 a unit in NRE, which isn't too bad. Now throw in $50 for the display, $175 for the
uCsimm, $75 for the carrier PCB, and $50 for the case and you at $400 a unit. Not bad
considering that custom plastic would have set you back $500/unit off the bat. I can't
remember the company's name off hand, I'll look it up at work in the morning and get back
to you.

--
Rick Farmer             |  916 E. Ogden Ave. #312
Electrical Engineer     |  Milwaukee, Wi. 53202
rfarmer@execpc.com      |  414-273-9740

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I came across a company called VISTA that does short runs on custom plastic parts.  They require the design be provided in a 3D electronic format such as auto cad, and charge about US$500.00 for the tooling and US$2000.00 - US$5000.00 for the first production run.  The cost of each part would likely be around $1.  I have not done any business with these guys before but I was impressed by their low tooling cost and their unique approach.  Here is their link anyway.

 http://www.vistatek.com/

While looking for  VISTA, I also found the following directory with other companies that do similar things.

 http://www.angelfire.com/mi/SelectMfgServices

What are the requirements for a case anyway?  Does everybody need something different or is there some some thing in common?

regards

rick Jafrate This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 28 10:41:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25415 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:40:10 -0400 Message-ID: <002001bed904$6b861b00$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: <024f01bed8b4$eb1223a0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> <99072808483200.10784@voltaire.kir.st.com> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] July 28, 1999 Status report Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:20:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Doug Wrote: > Thanks for the status report. I was wondering ... are any of > you guys going to be at the Linuxworld conference in San Jose > (aug 9-12)? I live just outside of San Jose and am pretty > psyched about this conference. Hope to see some of you guys > down there. We will not be attending as it is really far away from us. Mind you if we could afford $$$ to go both Jeff and I would love to. Greg from Australia (Coldfire) plans on attending and presenting a technical talk on uClinux for ColdFire. Lincoln wrote: > Does that mean that you expect tol ship in late September early October? Earlier if we can secure the parts from the suppliers. We are still chasing down this one with some help of some inside people at MOT. -- Michael mdurrant@uclinux.com mdurrant@uclinux.org This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 28 11:21:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25494 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:19:21 -0400 From: Lincoln Spiteri Organization: STMicroelectronics To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] July 28, 1999 Status report Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:53:35 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.20] Content-Type: text/plain References: <002001bed904$6b861b00$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99072816572001.14542@voltaire.kir.st.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, you wrote: > > Earlier if we can secure the parts from the suppliers. We are still chasing > down this one with some help of some inside people at MOT. > Ah good, the list of projects getting longer we really need something in our hands. It is a shame that ST does not do something like a dragon ball I could try and help you out then, ah well. Lincoln -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lincoln Spiteri Manufacturing Systems STMicroelectronics, Malta e-mail: lincoln.spiteri@st.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Wed Jul 28 13:34:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns1.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25703 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:29:00 -0400 Message-Id: From: mdevon@spies.com (Mark Devon) Subject: Re: [uCsimm] July 28, 1999 Status report To: ucsimm@uClinux.org Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:08:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <024f01bed8b4$eb1223a0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> from "Michael Durrant" at Jul 28, 99 00:51:54 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.org > Ottawa Linux Symposium our fabrication house called and informed > us that they will be going on a summer shut down for two weeks. Now > I though that was no biggy until yesterday we received confirmation > from our parts suppliers that the Processor just flipped from available > in stock to 6-8 weeks! Ouch! > Try www.avnet.com. They had XC68328EZPU16V parts in stock as of yesterday. Don't buy them all though, as I need some! -- Mark Devon This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm